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Joint | March 19, 2015 | Committee Room | Justice & Public Safety

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and they want to know if we're still behind next week and it sounds to me like the answer is no. So, we'll tell them no and it should be hard getting to fund And if they would like to let us know, so that if we I think we can turn around and talk then to Deborah about it. Yes, so we might want to come back. [xx] OK. So, its just for me to know how much hope[sp?] and favor our investigations, Dr. Hoyer is here, and [xx] Yes I'm sorry [XX] it's alright. Alright let's go ahead and call the meeting to order. Good morning everyone, welcome back to the fabulous JPS Show. I appreciate my colleagues being here and the folks that we're going to talk with today about highway patrol and state bureau of investigation. First, let's make sure we've got house keeping under order, we have a number of pages, I think that are with us today, we appreciate them being here, and before I start I'm going to ask you to forgive me if I miss pronounce your names. We have Sarah Cox from Gaston County. Sarah, welcome, good morning. We have courtesy of I understand Speaker Moore, is that right? OK great and Regina Reichert, did I get that right Regina? Right. Regina and I had a conversation yesterday evening and she was telling about Germany, we welcome her here and I hope you learn a little something in this committee meeting, and she is here courtesy of Senator Rabin, and we appreciate that. We have our Sergeant at Arms today, Barry More, B. H. Poe, they are both house Sergeants at Arms, and we have David Linkum, Giles Jeffreys and Dale Huff. Did I get that right? Lithicum[sp?] Yesterday we decided it to be Smith. Dave or David? David works. You're going to have to tell me after the meeting, I've got to make sure I get that right. I'll get it right, but anyway, let's begin. We're going to work on this and look forward to this discussion. Christine, are you ready to go? Yes, Sir. Alright, so I'm going to turn it over to Christine Leggett[sp?], thank you. Thank you Mr. Chair. Good morning everyone? Good morning.  Now I don't like as the first one, [xx] Okay, we're going to shift steers today from the department of Justice to the department of Public Safety, which is the largest piece of the JPS high and just for your information, any of the followed questions we had from department of justice yesterday, I'm going to cover on Tuesday morning, we're still waiting for some of that information that you asked for, about that. On Tuesday I did send, the Medicate Fraud investigation report to your email yesterday. Okay we are going to start with the Department of Public Safety and we're going to State Highway Patrol and State Bureau of Investigation today. Here's the Department of Public Safety budget again it houses the former department of crime control and public safety, criminal justice and delinquency prevention and correction. Frank Perry is the secretary and I got a list here of everything that includes they have $1.9 billion budget and $24, 676 . 45 FTE, which for your information representative [XX] is the size of [XX]. Is that right it's budget for BBS is here in this squad, and you can see a [XX] with the biggest piece in that pie. Today we're going to cover law enforcement which is about 16% of the pie, we're going to, actually  just talk about highway patrol a public investigation, a little enforcement, we'll cover at a later date. And here's the FTE on the pie chart, again adult corrections

taking up most of it law enforcement about 12%. The law enforcement division includes the State Highway Patrol, the State Bureau of Investigation, State Capital Police, Emergency Management, it also has dotted lines, ABC commission and private protective services and alarm systems board, all three of which you moved under DPF last year. Starting out with the Highway Patrol, it was established in on, their authority is in GF20, article four. The picture that you see here is of some of the original patrol and there were 37 members sworn in on July 1st 1929, at that time the state had 8, 309 miles of highway. In 2010 the state had 79, 328 miles of highway. So as the highway has gotten bigger, so has The Highway Patrol. Their mission is to ensure safe efficient transportation on our streets and highways to reduce crime, protect against terrorism and respond to natural and man-made disasters. The next clash is that the upper level organization. The commander is Bill Grayed[sp?], Colonel, he's sitting in the back, have field operations unit professional standards unit, support operations and executive protection. 75% of their total FPE are sworn on enforcement officers about 25% of civilian. In the field operations, the highway patrol is broken up into eight troop, divided into six to eight districts each. Each troop has a captain and three lieutenants, each district has a first sergeant and at least two sergeants There're usually 1-5 troopers per shift depending on the size of the district. Each troop also has a mechanics and office assistants all of whom are civilians. The total number of troopers is 1653 and that's troop or few for a sergeant and there're 128 vacancies currently in their exhibition. The picture on that part is [XX] DWR checkpoint in July 2011. In 2014, troopers issued 345, 000 speeding tickets, arrested 20, 000 DWR offenders and investigated 105, 000 accidents. The next quarter shows the trip map if anyone is interested in a larger version of this let me know and I will email it to you. Professional standards has internal affairs, inspections and medical services which are provided for applicant's physicals, fit for duty physicals and other member assistants which provides for personal peer support after critical incident. In addition there's personnel and benefits, recruitment, performance, promotion research and planning. The Highway Patrol Training Academy is located at the Governor Morehead School for the Blind, it's 1976, there's nine buildings, 317 acres, a driving track and a heliport, there's not a firing range there. A basic school which they recently graduated one in January has 66 cadets plus alternates, takes 29 weeks and 620$ of basic law enforcement training and then 685 of specialized training specific to the highway patrol. It costs about $2 million per class, operate a basic school, that cost does not include instructor's salary. Yes, Representative Stevens. Thank you Mr Chair came up with the question, assuming there're, why do we have at least three different training academies? We have the one for the Highway Patrol, and we have one for General Law Enforcement, we have the one in Moore County, and I mean is there something different, why three different trainings? They have different missions, the Highway Patrol Training Academy is specific to the highway patrol the second half of the training that they offer is highway patrol training. The Justice Academy which we talked about yesterday provides law enforcement training to local law enforcement agents is not, the state agencies will use their facilities, but their classes are primarily geared towards local law enforcement. Follow-up? The training academy offered us in service training and fabrication and specialized training on that The picture there is the 135th school, this is a short school that had 26 graduates. Short schools are offered few applicants who are they have basic law enforcement training. OK, next we have support services morgistics, which is mechanics and autobiotic shop, radio engineers made relative equipment for staff in uniform, and then

the technical service unit which is the state highway computer systems, laptops and their staff support, and of course viper. The network operation center operates 24/7 and supports all of the highway controls, computers, radios any kind of mobile device they have. The mechanics work on all their cars the total miles driven in the calendar year 2013 by highway patrol cars was 39123428 which is the equivalent to 1575 trips around the world. I want to talk for a very brief minute about viper viper is, the viper system allows process wanders from various agencies freeze fire and see the [xx] here want to talk about viper either. The viper system allows fast responses on various agencies police, fire rescues, hospital, state agencies etc. To communicate with one another during an emergency. The system is state local partnership. The state is paying for the tower, the locals are paying for the radios. There are 240 tower sites of which 213 have been constructed the system is about 90% complete. There are about 65, 388 users, from 250 agencies on the viper system. The cost today has been 174.5 Million Dollars, most of which was federal money. I'm sorry, in this spot I should have updated this spot. I'm sorry, excuse me. Representative Perly. Thank you. She's was blocking my view Colonel Grey could you help us with that please? Please state your name and who you're with when you get to mic and go from there. Thank you sir. Good morning everybody. Bill Gray with the highway patrol, we're still in the process of building out, out there. Traditionally we're still using all our low band system, we're still maintaining it. Now, that is where build out is going out on right now. So it's getting better. Thank you sir. Any other questions? Go ahead, proceed. Mr. Chair, I'm going to apologize to the committee because I thought I had updated this file, but apparently I didn't. There is no additional funding require for viper, you fully funded the P25 upgrade in 2013, and you also provided them with $7 million recurring funds in 2014 to complete the tower construction. So I'll update this file put everybody's version online a very talk for a minute about the highway patrol vehicles, they have 1622 enforcement vehicles, so total fleet of 2027 the total cost for a new vehicle is $28, 386 $26, 000 for the basic car, $786 for taxes in kind,  and then uptake cost of $1301. And those uptake do not include Mobile Computers or Incar Camera and the goal replacement for the car, is 100, 000 miles, that's the warranty number, about 41% of the enforcement fee is currently over 100, 000 miles. The average ideal mileage per year is 25 thousand miles, the replacement of the cars will be needed approximately every four years and the required yearly budget for that it is 10.5 million dollars. The budget for vehicles is $4.71 million. And so you can see on this slide how a patrol vehicle expenditure spends 845, I'm sorry I clicked the seven. It was 16 million in 607 we think that it may include a helicopter pay loot at it to see what why that stay high, but as you can see, it's been dropping ever since. The authorized budget for 14-15 is 4.71 million and the base budget is 4.71 million. Last year, they bought cars and they spend 8.59 million. Most of the additional funding for that came from last salaries, a chunk of it came from [xx] from adult correction. The funding is being moved in throughout the department to help our course. Another issue with the cars that you need to be aware of. I have a question for you though. DPS didn't we approve the expenditure of fore future monies for vehicles and DPS and was any of that with how it

roll if not how much that [xx] Thank you Mr. Chair and you'll see that has occurred in the FBI and ALE. The Howard Patrol said that we do not use or sieve out that money for vehicles and I'm going to talk in a minute about what they have used this assets for, but one more thing about the expenditures budget I mean the vehicles expenditure budget they also are budgeted to collect a certain amount of money from the sale of used cars. And they're under-collecting receipts in that area because they're keeping the cars for too long. They're keeping them for more than 100, 000 miles. And when they do sell them, they 're not getting as much as they had originally been budgeted because the cars have more that a 100, 00 miles on them so in this fiscal year 13/14 the actual failed of casual with about $1.2 million, the budgeted amount for that is $2.2 million. Alright, speaking of these assets Mr. Sheriff. I'm going to talk in greater details about these assets when we get to the FBI Christine, Colonel Grey, probably the best person. OK, alright, thank you Christine. Colonel Grey would you mind stepping forward and again identify yourself and who you're with and we are awaiting your answer. Yes Sir. Good morning again. Bill Grey, Howard Colonel, I'm sorry sir I didn't hear the question I wonder how when they are getting ready to [XX] the vehicles, how are the sales handled? They are handled, all vehicles for the state [XX] to state surplus, we do have a working relationship with him which allows us to sell him off our lot and the reason we do that is we were able to keep him up and people can come by and it's historically known was there so we get a better resale on them if we sell them ourselves by sending them the state surplus, but that doesn't mean they're not involved because they approve all the paper work and they oversee the whole thing. Have we ever used private auction companies for sale? I don't think so. Follow up, any other question from the committee? alright not seeing any Christine and thank you service. Thank you Mr Chair. Representative Varcroff, we'll follow up with our current part on general government and get a more detailed answer for you on that issue. Tell her to stop recording. I think we had that power surge that went off, this went off too. Okay, so Highway Patrol seized assets. I'm going to talk in more detail about seized assets and the rules that govern seized assets when we get to the FBI budget but I did want to just point out that the highway patrol does receive seized assets and here's a chart that shows their expenditures for the past ten years.   Yes representative McNeal. Sorry to interrupt you Christine. I would like to know at some point maybe from the highway patrol or the FBI the Attorney General ruling from a bottom up says that they are no longer going to adopt these types of cases. I just wondered if somebody can give us some kind of idea what kind of impact that's going to have [xx] Alright [xx] Christine do you want to. Mr. Chair representative Margnil[sp?] if is it okay with you I got that [xx] Plotted them when we get to the FBI. Because it has a bigger impact on their budget. It's and impact on the Highway Patrol's budget but it is a much bigger impact on the the FBI, ALE budget. So if you don't mind, spend on that for a couple of minutes? That's fine. Christine. Alright. So Howard Patrol has used their [xx] assets for weapons and armor, phones and radio training and of course in car cameras. Most recently they had equipment for a specialized response teams. And their cash balance as of March 14th, 2015 it's about $573947 that may include some [xx] funds here on the next chart is the highway patrol actual expenditure since 86/87 they have had a slight increase of 14.67% and then you'll see 2011/12 that's where they were moved from the highway fund support to general fund support. The Highway Patrol base budget is

primarily people, 79% in personal services. Their purchase services are 13.7 million, of which about 8 million is viper-related. And then supplies at 15 million, property plant equipment 7 and other at 7 million. This is the highway patrol recent budget actions the 2013 goes on for two pages, so I'm not actually going to read all these to you but then total net FTE that was eliminated from the highway patrol in 2013 was 54. In 2014 last year, you also eliminated an additional 35 vacant trooper positions, and so that was just total net appeal you were talking about and Mr. Chair, section 16B. 5 required BPS to use $2.9 million of funds available to purchase viper radios for the Highway Patrol, and that maybe what you were thinking about with diffused assets. Mr. Chair, that's all I have on the highway patrol, if anyone has any questions? Alright, are there questions on highway patrol from the committee members? Yes, Sir. Representative Graham. What did we do last year for the highway patrol in terms of salary improvements [xx] Exactly what did we do? Christine. Mr. Chair, last year you funded the staff increase for the Highway Patrol. It was a little bit different than what would normally have been funded typically to 5% across the board for eligible troopers. Last year it was a lower percentage for a troopers who had been there longer and a higher percentage, I think it came out to be about 6%, for troopers who had been there between one and three years, and the total funding was around $1.8 million, you'll see it based up increased the 3rd item down under 2014 there. Yes sir. Have you seen the impact I'm [xx] Representative Graham I was just looking at the turnover rate of The Highway Patrol right about 7% we've not looked at the history of it there will be a get that for all of the law enforcement sections and bring that back to you on Tuesday. I'm not sure could you ask a question again sir? I feel about take to dowarts. Do you mean the [xx] PPS is a whole generate the approximately around $80 million in a year and I don't have that broken out by the individual division, but we can bring that back to you, and we can also get you a list of how that's been expended so far this year too. Alright, we're going to listen Representative Hurley, and then Representative Stevens, and then representative Faircloth. Alright? Thank you very much, Mr. chair.comment for Colonel Grey. I noticed we did the uniform, but are we sure they got any shoes? The uniforms, I wondered where they were made. I believe they're all manufactured in the United States. I don't know that every piece and component comes from the United States but the overall, and I believe, the last time I looked at it I think they're all through North Carolina companies, and I appreciate the increase. It's meant a lot to our troopers to have good shoes on their feet, thanks. You're welcome.   Representative Stevens. Follow-up Representative Stevens. Back on slide 11 we were talking about banks at schools 66 canvas 29 weeks. New trip equipment 48, 000 can you explain that? Yes make money get back there it's not there, though to create a car I think. Coronal Gray or Mr. Baike or somebody maybe able to address this better, or do you want to step back at first? I've got. I'm happy to [xx] right now but I got that. OK can you go ahead. Representative Stevens the 48, 000 dollars it seems a new car, a computer et cetera for the troopers to their uniform, their weapon their bullet fake armor. I'd like to follow up. Follow up. So when you talked about $29, 000 for car which didn't include the up beat, this includes everything, everything for the [xx] road? Yes mum, you wouldn't necessarily have to have a new car for every tripper, if you create a new tripper position, you need a new position but if you're just filling a vacant you don't necessarily have to have a new car, [xx] to

the whole if vehicle replacement pedal fully funded, then they would have 20 cars towards the existing position surround them and Colonel Gray may have positional information. Why do you wish to add a police station [xx].   Yes sorry about that last Bill Gray with highway patrol 48, 000 years, but that's not buying new equipments for everybody because we used to recycle like the blue lights and the radios and the computers webcams, we do have to have a refresh straight on that stuff which we've been kind of behind the power cut on that over the last years because we haven't bought much of anything, but it would be much substantially more [xx] if we bought all new equipment and put in the car [xx] example in car video camera is about $6, 000 [xx] mobile portable for them to carry. You put [xx] systems over 4000 the mobile that goes in the car board, another $4, 000 and you see it adds up very quickly, but thankfully, we don't have to repurchase that stuff every time. So this $48, 000 number are things that you've used to equip? Yes Ma'am that's correct. Alright, thank you. Alright, Representative Faircloth[sp?]. Thank you. I have to get to the airport [xx] [xx].   Yes sir, Bill Gary with the highway patrol. Basically what we do, I think it was called more of an arrangement, typically about such we cover anything outside the city limits as far as taking any corrections and call us for service. As far as enforcement we enforce all over the state of-course, but there are some cities like Charlotte which is the counties basically all city we still take, there we take all the wrecks and all of the inner state that's where we take our cars for services and stop there. So state county by county city by city it's a little different, someone take the inner state when they run through it, but the most part we take the inner state to wherever they're at. [xx] for [xx] Yes sir, there is room for adjustment and we continually do adjust [xx] things are [xx] incorporated or those kinds of things, and you get a lot of, one of the things you run into is a lot of the small towns I'll give you an example like Clemmons. For years and years, we took Rex and Clemmons and though they were incorporated they don't have a city police department, so they now contract with the Sherrif's department, which helps us out some, but we got pockets all over the place but there's absolutely room for adjustments, yes sir. The reason I asked is [xx] [xx] yes, yes sir, we do, like Charlotte, while they've got almost 1700 police officers and they've got county officers that's our troopers work harder there than anywhere in the state for [xx] their number one on the list. Yes, so, I think it really has to be a team effort down there. I don't know if Sharler[sp?] can handle it by there own, but it'll be nice to get some assistance down there. Yes sir. Thank you, representative. We're going to show the Senate some love, Senator Bingham[sp?]. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Sorry I missed your presentation and [xx], it felt good [xx]. I had some concerns about the cost of regulation [xx] a lot of with a B25 technology has it been [xx] unlike the [xx] [xx] Yes sir, we absolutely can do that, yes sir if we can get Mr Hodgkin[sp?] to get up with you and discuss that. Yes, Sir hold on. As far as completion goes I'm glad you did your presentation which shows us how [xx] What is a predictive completion date and is this being consumed or overrun by [xx] what you initially expected is what is [xx]? Bill Grey with the Highway Patrol. I would say yes, it's substantially longer than they predicted when they first started the project. I think it was a couple of year project, and now a decade later we're still trying to finish it, but the majority of that had to do with the funding sources, and Ben will do that.

I don't have a projected date on when we'll complete, they're so many variables in there and I'll tell you where we got set back a little bit. This past year is when we did the P25, tower requirements were changed through state construction. So instead of having a F-Tower you had to have a G-Tower, which means we had to go back in and spending a lot of money and time reinforcing towers just to comply, so we could do the P25 piece. Follow-up. [xx] on the P25 was that federal or was that just us? [xx] Gilberry Howard, Patrol. Yes Sir, it was a federal mandate. We were able, and I will tell you that each construction worker, they did real well on what they could and we were grand fathered[sp?] on a lot of those. So the one's we didn't have to touch, we didn't have to upgrade which we were very fortunate on. Representative Speciale. At least this is year we went through a lot of the prisons centers. I remember somebody making a statement that the Corrections Enterprises was looking at doing the uniforms for the Highway patrol. Where are at we on that? Representative Speciale, I believe that Corrections Enterprises did do some prototype uniforms for the Highway Patrol, but unfortunately they do not have quite the skill level for the Highway Patrol uniforms. They require some additional stitching and stuff because of the way that they use their uniforms and it just it wouldn't work out, it. [xx] any other question? Yes representative [xx]. Farm grazing. In all these preservation, [xx] the aviation unit you just, [xx] [xx] and [xx] Yes sir. Bill Grey highway patrol I'm sure you'll recall, year before last Christine or last, year before last? Year before last. We downsized our aviation program pretty much cut it in half we were in four bases Kingston, [xx], [xx] and actual [xx] we've got [xx] actual site and the [xx] site, central [xx] bit more work Mike we're talking about a $16 million year budget I think that's when we bought our 407, which the great thing about it, it has rescue capabilities so we do long [xx] rescues for kayakers that get themselves hang up [xx] up top of mountains [xx] and that kind of stuff, but we only have one of those and that's a relatively new helicopter to us the majority of or fleet is surplus and manufactured in the 1970's. So I can get the numbers [xx] to you on how many [xx] I don't have that with me right now [xx] I don't know you, [xx] [xx] [xx] in the [xx] is there any other aviation apartments or people [xx]   Yes sir the FBI has some aircraft, I'm not sure exactly what they have but they have some and then it's just patrol otherwise, we spent majority of our time on  probably half better than half our nations have [xx] for locals and the sheriff's apartment and rescues. [xx] Okay, Christine? Thank you Mr. Chair residents involved there are 12 FPE and aviation administration and no vacancy of recording to the beacon from march third. Other questions from the committee? So before we move on? Okay, I'm not seeing any hand so Christine are you going to take us [xx] I am. All right please do so.   [xx] okay. But [xx] F. B. I first talking about the F. B. I [xx] because, much of what is going on now is [xx] on changes that y'all made last year and the [xx] transfer, the sub committee, they're going to have to consolidate major state law enforcement divisions under one agency, so that they can share resources find purchasing efficiencies and have some additional coordination and cooperation. The sub-committee goals were enhanced independent of the SBI director. They wanted to create opportunities for savings and efficiencies, and you also wanted to maintain the SBI's jurisdictional boundaries. So changes to the SBI Director, the previous law said that the SBI director

was appointed by the attorney general, the transfer provision that you included in your budget last year says that the SBI Director will be nominated by the governor and confirmed by the general assembly, and previously the director served at the pleasure of the attorney general, the new statute says that the director can only be removed for a cause by the governor. Before, the SBI Director had no set terms and now you put into place eight-year terms. The only thing I didn't change was that the SBI's  conducted most investigations upon the requests of or under the direction of the governor, and that language remained the same in the statute. savings and efficiencies and information technology that the provision separated out what was in the statute as the division of criminal information from the SBI and put it directly under the Commissioner of Law Enforcement. We also consolidated district offices, the ALE district offices and consolidated them with the SBI district offices, and there's additional savings that could be had from bulk and coordinated purchasing, and the Type 2 transfer that the [xx] Committee did left the budget under the control of the Secretary of Public Safety allowing for better oversight and coordination of expenditures for those types of things. Total estimated savings from the SBI transfer was $1.2 million. Finally, the third goal they had was Jurisdictional Boundaries, you were trying to maintain the SBI's jurisdictional boundaries. Do I have the slide? It's a little small, but the first, the upper left is the Highway Patrol, again their statute is GS20. They have jurisdiction over the motor vehicle laws, crimes that occur in their presence and when they're called in by other law enforcement agencies. Below them are the state capitol police their jurisdiction is the same as a Raleigh police officer or a Wake County deputy sheriff on property that is owned, leased or maintained by the state in the city of [xx] or [xx] county, On the upper right is the F. B. I, their jurisdiction is found in GS143B919 they have original jurisdiction, never had have to [xx] something, communicating threats, arson, gambling, the lottery, drugs, [xx] computer crime, primarily involving children, child sex abuse and daycare [xx] explosives and that can be called in on local investigations. And then finally, at the very bottom there is the ALE, and they have state watcher section for any criminal offense, the ALE actually has the broadest jurisdiction of all four of these. The primary responsibility of the ALE agent is the enforcement of ABC and the lottery law other changes that you made when you transferred the SBI. You moved ALE under the State Bureau of Investigation, so the Alcohol Law Enforcement branch is a separate and discrete branch of the State Bureau of Investigations. You clarified the ALE mission as, The primary responsibility of an agent is the enforcement of ABC and Lottery Laws, previously that language has said ABC Laws, chapter 90 Laws which were Drug Enforcement and Lottery Laws. They still enforced drug laws, but their primary responsibility according to the statute is ABC and Lottery, and then finally the SBI personnel are the sole, you put in language to say that the SBI personnel are the sole responsibility of the SBI Director. So the director makes all hiring and firing decisions in the SBI. You also required three progress reports, the first interim report was due on January 1st. I posted that on your sub-committee website today if you can take a look at it, if you're interested. Mr. Chair, if there's any questions about the transfer otherwise I'll move on. Are there any questions from the committee at this time? Continue please Miss [xx]. OK, so key facts about the State Bureau of investigation, it is directed right now by BW Collier, the acting director. Again, they have original jurisdiction over those things I've listed there, we already talked about that and they provide assistance to local law enforcement at their request. They're divided info four divisions, Administrative Services, Field Operations, Special Operations, and ALE. Their total budget is $52.9 million, and they have 560 FTE, that includes some special fund supported FTE as well. Here is a slide that shows you the SBI origin of investigation and I put this up here just because I wanted to show you original investigations are the short light blue ones. Most of what the SBI does is done at the request of local sheriffs. So in 2012, 948 of their requests came from sheriffs the local police had 681 of their requests, federal law enforcement made some

requests to them as well, and some came from district attorneys. SBI assistance to those local law enforcement agencies is free. Here is the Org chart for the SBI. I have much more detailed ones of these, If you're interested in seeing those I can email them to you. That is the SBI Director, the little box off to the side there the Deputy Director for Special Investigations as you note that is where Public Corruption Section went, and then you'll see those other four divisions down on the bottom. Yes, Senator Randleman. [xx] for director, I know there's been some confusion lately in the Mr. Collier, I don't know if you can hear her. I think she's directing her question to you. Yes, well is that [xx] from the beginning?   The beginning if you please. I heard recently in the media there's some confusion about, they may be talking about an ALE officer, but they're calling them SBI and there seems to be some mechanical [xx]. Can you clarify that? Yes Ma'am. B. W. Collier, acting director of SBI. When we initially came together there was confusion between our own selves as to what and how we handle SBI ALE. Are they a branch of the SBI? They're part of the SBI? Are they SBI? They already identified at the SBI, but ALE branch and so there was confusion initially to how we handle that, and I think that's where they came from. But since that time, and we realized immediately that that was an issue we needed to clarify and we've done that. The ALE agents have been instructed to identify themselves as Alcohol Law Enforcement agents, and SBI agents have been instructed to identify themselves as SBI agents. So that clarified that that, everybody is starting to understand that we're under one umbrella, but we do have separate missions and separate jobs, even though we work together as much as we can to share information and work together to de-conflict our operations and things like that for a variety of reasons, we still have [xx] separate [xx] as he requested through the stachute[sp?] to be severed and [xx] so we're trying to make sure we stay within these lines [xx] senator [xx], thank you Mr. Chairman, [xx] S. P. I [xx] agents [xx] [xx] S. P. I agents [xx] Yes. [xx] Yes sir. [xx] we have basically flattened that out, for now we are requesting that both AL and SPI have four year degree when they come in So that's the [xx] balancing part of that, before ALE they had their preferences of being [xx] degree, [xx] three and two years of experience or just four years of experience and SPI had historically been requesting everybody to have four year degrees so in an attempt because we all working together more so and trying to balance things out and the responsibilities of each agents on both sides of the house are the same. Theres a high amount of liability and responsibility thats put on both sides of the house and we felt like we need bring them in at the same level of expectant education and skills set or whatever we can make sure we're looking at, that we're balancing that and we're not setting up inequities there in our own shop Follow-up. So as I understand your position on this do you look to, in the future having agents, ALE agents duly qualify and be an officer of the SBI or [xx] Well, not as long as a law states what it states because it says, Separate and discrete, and so based on that we are following the letter of the law that ALE is a separate and discrete group, and they're or their skills sets their jobs all different so we really can't blend at this point, time two together because understandably the SBI will have their own school and agents, SBI agents [xx] What we're doing now is we're actually consolidating the training as much as possible for a efficiency purposes because we have to bring in our agents to do our training both AL and SPI and so if we can bring those in together also building relationships in that process we can

bring them in we can have one academy that covers the  bulk of things that are similar to both groups, but then what we do we bring the other agents the AL or SPI back for additional training specific to what their extra duties may be above and beyond what just been a general agent would require. Yes sir. Thank you Senator [xx], I was glad I was able to go to the graduating class in January the AL agency and SPI agency went to that ceremony together but they were distinct in their receiving their barges, and it was pretty clear their that they went through some similar training at the same place and went through the same ceremony, but they were identified completely separate and I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you, Sir I have representative Faircloth and then representative Mcneill, and we'll go from there, OK representative Faircloth. [xx] they have been instructed to get it under the ALE. I like what I hear you [xx] Yes sir, I think that's what we had in mind [xx] [xx] keep this moving in the right direction [xx] Thank you Yes Mr. [xx] I just had a quick question you are talking about a four year degree are you specific on what degrees you accept I mean would you accept a four year degree in physical education as a qualified degree or are you looking for specific types of four year degrees. No sir we are not looking for specific types of degree we are looking for just that process if somebody had committed themselves to go through a four year education at a higher level in high school, that it shows the level of commitment to me that they've gone the extra mile to make themselves a little bit more marketable but as far as the specific degrees we've actually found that it's benefited us to have a variety of degrees we've got people that have journalism degrees, we've office of criminal justice degrees we've had pharmacists to come on with us we've had a variety of different degrees there so it's we've benefited from the diversity in that,  Follow up OK senator Acumen [xx] yes, madam we're now trying to bring everybody under the same on the salary and we're still below the market value with other investigative agencies across the state in there which is good, but Anne and Christine may get into it later but doesn't draw attention issues because we girls in agency in, they stay in for about three to five years the salaries are lower that local agencies out there and they are leaving us to go to back to these local agencies and we are lose a lot of our our young guys that had come in that are full of energy and they're excited about it and then they leave us which is in a few years so in regards to the salary, we're trying to make sure that there is a balance between ALA and SPL we bring them in again trying to let everybody know that they are equally important in what they are doing there are just different things that they're doing, but we are definitely suffering from that issue shoot that question, Thank you [xx], apparently their pay structure. It is not the same currently [xx] I can give an example, an Assistant Director level, there is a vast difference and more that

assistant director makes for the ALA as compared [xx] one links with SBI. I would love to able to balance that as well, but we are not financially able to do that at this point in time, [xx] there is somethings that cannot balance, there's diversity all over the place even within the SBI, there is a lot of difference range because those girls are doing the same basic jobs there may be an an agent one, two or three but because of the way things were done previously when people were hired in, they were given credit for years of experience. They we're giving credit for different degrees and things like that, their salaries were set at different rates. So we've got tremendous inequity within our own agents, both ASP and ALE which adds more to it when you looking at both agencies collectively. [xx] Yes mum. Be glad to [xx] Thank you Mr Chair Senator [xx] what we can do if put together, we can get our salaries and benefits team put together this hourly information that you're interested in for the FBI ALE and for the highway control, and bring that back to you on Tuesday. I'm the recognized representative Graham, and then I want to move ahead because we're going to have to cover time for some questions there, and we're going today a quarter to 10 Okay, Roslyn Graham Mississippi the question should come in, okay, we're going to move to hear it Christine, thank you very much. Okay, I'm just going to run through the revision quickly, I'm the administrative service This division have 49 FTE, they've been training in investigative support accreditation and career development, business and logistics and case records management their are over 11 FTE's kind of recruitment training and we've already covered the minimum requirement their so I will just move on. Alcohol law enforcement again they are on separate and discrete branch of state gram investigation, they were created in 1977, their general statute authority is an 18B500 where the ABC logs are. If there were a jurisdiction over ABC lottery, bingo and game ling and boxing and they were created interestingly enough from the ABC enforcement division which had been created in 1949. There are over 29, 000 licences ABC outlets in the state North Carolina and ALA agents responsible for doing permanent checks on those, they did 10, 228 ABC outlets inspection and the past year, they are also responsible for checking lottery outlets and there are over 8000 of those in the states. Field operations division there are eight district offices with a 179 FTE, each has a special agent in charge and special agent in charge, special agent and an administrative secretary they investigate original jurisdiction cases in their district and provide assistance two local law enforcement, there are also three special investigation units via crime scene search and polygraph and the picture there is one of the fire austone docs. The next pages is the map of the FBI district again this is a little hard to on slide take you are interested in it I can send you a pdf version of it. Special investigations unit is investigate public corruption in the state and government misconduct and also does internal affairs FPA there are five FTE in this unit they report directly to the director and you do see in the charge there, their public corruption investigation in 2008. [xx] [xx] this is a quick question on that. If they're not doing those public corruption investigation are they reassigned, so they have other duties they do. Miss Collin, did you hear the question? yes sir, [xx] again they do have other duties as well, they're working on extension things [xx] compliance without policies, so they spend

quite a bit of time, we're actually down to three people in that group now, and one vacant position so it's actually four, now things have been adjusted since Christine got the information, but they do that as well as they're also helping out on any kind of threats, any [xx] involved in those type of investigations and so they have a variety of things they doing [xx] just crouching those [xx] handle our law enforcement involved all proceedings, which they worked with across North Carolina again, we had through this week [xx] these three guys are working on. [xx] okay, with the special operation the air wing unit that we which we will discuss briefly the aerial surveillance marijuana eradication investigative photography and [xx] and personal transport that's there are three pilots one of which is vacant, but we'll check on that.computer cons investigations primarily involving children, and then diversion and environmental crime unit they do diversion of controlled drugs, the health care professionals and on the environmental crime. The nex side also in the Special Operations Division is  the financial crime scene, which does white collar crimes including embezzlement and corporate malfeasance, intelligence and information, which includes ISEC, and the Criminal Intelligence Unit, and threat assessment and state property theft, which assesses threat against government officials, and investigate reports of the theft of state property, which they're statutorily assigned to do. We have a question, Director Collins is ISEC continuing to remain close to the FBI? Yes sir, [xx] has been with the FBI, if there is a need or a reason to move it, then obviously that will take place, but currently it's there, we just recently we moved it physically from the federal building back to the SPI campus, we were able to open some open space there and move them into that. So we can have that little bit better interaction with them on a daily basis for us keeping up with intelligence and we utilize them weekly. I bring or actually daily, but weekly we have a meeting with the head of that unit. He comes in briefs us and gives an intelligence update each week to let us know what happening across the state and across country. Let me ask you a little more specifically. Okay. I appreciate your answer. There are no plans at this time to move Isaac out DSPI is that correct? No, sir. Not in my knowledge. Okay good thank you. Thank you sir. It's like there is no other questions [xx] would you explain?, I know you hear lot about it, ISAC is an acronym as to Information Sharing and Analysis Centre. Its considered a fusion centre across the United States after 9/11 there was a realization there was a lot of stovepipe of information and so either gives a task force as such that has a lot of agencies Representative [xx] is very active with us as well as Homeland Security, FBI and Local Law Enforcement as well, we have representative from the Kansas police in this state, so people right out there to help bring in information and share information the things gone, they're still piped and when that information comes in, it can then be looked at, given some value to if it's good information or not, and then it can be disseminated back out to, not only law enforcement, we're also passing out to our private sector partners, and as far as so if you think of it like an hourglass, the top is the information coming in it comes in the eye which is in the center and it's disseminated out. Any follow up. OK, Senator Bingham [xx] [xx] I wouldn't say anything specifically that we have trouble recruiting into because they all come in as, under the FBI side, they all come in as an FBI agent, and you are

required to be an FBI agent for a period of time before you are allowed to go a special unit. You have to understand what it is to be an SBI agent, in broader sense, then coming in and [xx] straight into like a bomb squad or something like that. It's a very specific type of unit. Is there a follow up, and then we move on to [xx] Yes sir and as you mentioned the computer crimes Francis we have people come to that unit, they have a skill set already. So they are coming as an agent and then they migrate over to that unit as soon as possible. And we also add directly in into some of those. We've got some [xx] positions that have some skill sets maybe from a financial background. We have a financial crimes unit, even the agents that are assigned to that have a certain amount of accounting experience whether it's education or actual applied application or applied experience. So, they do have a skill set a little bit extra that they are considered for those positions more so over somebody who would not Thank you director [xx]. Thank you sir Meagan OK at this time we're going to move ahead we have just a few minutes left. So continuing on the [xx] position, Special Armed Services and Intelligence team have 20 FTE. They declined a lab response. I can never say that word right [xx] lab respond, anyway meth lab, crisis negotiation, fugitive arrest apprehension, [xx] weapons of mass destruction, as you can see the meth lab response has increased significantly since 2008 and is permanently viewed as a shake and bake method those count as a meth lab representative [xx] Can you tell us a thing, In last years budget proposal for some additional funding for the [xx] response team. Would that [xx] this year? Mr. Chair, representative Jackson, it was not funded last year, I do not believe it is on the governor's recommended budget this year I do not know if the FBI requested additional meth lab people, and they're [xx] me too, I would say that. Alright any other questions [xx] Thank you. Next is criminal information identification, this is [xx] This is where all the background checks are done, and houses the state wide automated fingerprint identification system, the criminal information network and effective [xx] and a uniform crime reporting program take a minute to talk about background check, the FBI conduct back ground checks from employment, life insurance, [xx] options concealed weapons and law enforcement. There are 3000 about background check, fees are charged to everyone except law enforcement they did 104, 000 32 background checked for $5, 000 and 117 entities in fiscal year 2013/14. They bring in a total receipt of 8.7 million dollars. The criminal information network is authorized by GS143B9OT, and it requires DPS to correct information and share with law enforcement this is one of the changes that you made in the transfer provision that previously required the article information shared with the law enforcement. The criminal information network is still housed within safe year of investigation. It is a central law enforcement hub for 20, 00 law enforcement officers state wide, they collect all sorts of information, these are authorized for the criminal information network and you can see the label users pay, $12 to enable devices or $25 for desk top it. The picture there is from Augustine [xx] and not Pastamore city police officer using his mobile laptop. Federal investigation criminal information serves over 20, 000 to more enforcement officers and I hear just the list of the systems that this NSA maintains. Maybe on [xx] forfeited assets the [xx] in forfeited assets is a federal program that is subject

to federal regulation, the Federal requirement stated that the funds can be used for investigations, training facilities, equipment, travel and there are some other things in there. These are funds that are ceased when an investigation happens, and there is federal involvement in the investigation, it's a federal pay and many times that you'd have the DEA, the FBI, the State Highway Patrol, probation and parole may get involved so there could be any number of agencies involved you seize assets from someone during that investigation, it may be cars, it may be things that get sold and then the government, the USDOJ they are the Treasury distribute that back out to the locals on a pro rata basis. We wanted to talk about these assets in relation to the [xx] because they use a considerable amount of money from their seized assets for equipment and supplies, and the Federal Government has started to change some of the policies on that on what can we and then also there reducing the percentage that they are going to be allowing the locals to get. So this could have a big impact on the FBI and the alias budget to look at [xx] asset expenditure and fiscal year 13/14 nets some $1.7 million that is on vehicles, [xx], computer software recent report we had from them, they were going to buy 35 specially vehicles, do a telephone, do some upgrade, some office equipment and training. The cash not in the FBI [xx] asset bond is $3.5 million. A list of expenditures are here, they Three pairs for weapons and armor, ammunition, car and vehicle. The last report they were using their funding for office equipment, ballistic armor, and in August of 2013 they made a request of $400, 000 for gas for their agents. There cash balance is $3.2 million. This cash balances may include incumbents as well. So, when we talk about [xx] you better to think about their line here, and their xx for the FBI's budget. Their supplying equipment line is $1.6 million 3%. One million of that is for gasoline, is budgeted for gasoline. The F. B. I spend $3.2 million and equipment 13 14, and they at least 448, 000 in deposit in equipment not 10 years, so there total expenditure for last year in this list and the $3.7 million dollars. As you can see there is a problem if he ceased assets aren't coming in would have been showing this up, and the general somebody is going to need to address their equipment, and supply lines because they can't operate in [xx] but again their cash balances are properly sufficient to work them through the next several years, but it is something that you need to be aware of especially if the federal government is changing the regulations there. In the interest of time I'd like Christine to go ahead and complete the presentation and hopefully we'll have time for questions, I know we need to talk about these assets. The next is just that split recedes planning verses general fund appropriation for the FBI, and then finally the bruce and budget action since 2013, there was a DHA and department what I mean from a possibility reserve from which the FBI did take from adoptions in addition their was an ELE operating reduction of 1.75 million and section 17.6 of the provisions that year moved to the state crime lab out of the FBI. Last year their was a DPS management flexibility reserve at 6.3 million non recurring salaries increases were provided to all permanent FTE, their was a consolidation saving reduction in a million Dollar and then ely[sp?] FBI district office consolidation, and you also put some money back into the ely[sp?] resource 13 positions have been eliminates the previous [xx], and then again after we've already discussed section 17.1 moved to the FBI to [xx] and placed [xx] under the director of the FBI Thank you Christine. Representative Mcneill did you want to dive into few minutes we have left the question we had about vouchers. Yeah and I just want to make sure I [xx] rulling and correct me if I'm wrong Mr. Colia and Mr. Grey are very familiar with this as I understand the [xx] when the SPI and the highway patrol are still working a case with the Federal agency and they seize assets. They can still get a portion of those assets, what they're loosing is if they're making independent stuff, highway patrol

men or a local enforcement making independent stuff where there is a large cash like 10, 20, 000 100, 000 whatever, and the highway patrol as the local agency actually ceases that money, the case is usually not against the person, it's just against the money that's the point Mr. [xx] is not understanding basically what I was wondering is I don't think they are going to I was just wondering what question do they believe that they would loose they stoned the attorney generals room, thank you [xx] I'll ask either Mr Baker or or Mr. [xx] address that before, why are you hiding the microphone? I think there may have a minor issue with the microphone so whoever is speaking, keep the speaker I would say first of with all due respect of the law enforcement, one of the things that we should also be keeping in mind from the big picture is that when assets are ceased through the federal forfeiture program, in essence it's a circumvention of the laws of state of North Carolina because when we have assets forfeited, they are supposed to be going to our school system, so while this has been critical to helping law enforcement, it someway it's got a big bit of stand points, a little bit of robbing, figure to Paypal, and it's something that we're going to recon with anyway, I think as a state, and regardless of how the attorney generals's rulings or changes or that may change again with the next presidency for all we know. We recognize Mr. Becker. Thank you Mr. Chair, I'm Gregg Becker, commissioner in law enforcement for our republic I representative [xx] is actually right. If we fail to draw an axis between that event, say with a highway patrol on a random stop during the course of their primary mission function. If we can draw an access between that, and an ongoing federal investigation with the DEA or FBI or one of the Title 21 agencies at the federal level. Then those funds would have to pofted at the state level and that's the importance of MTI SEC in developing this intelligent driven model of enforcement, so hopefully we can develop an access to an ongoing DEA investigation, say for instance, we get the licence plate of that vehicle or identify the driver of that vehicle. We run it though MTI SEC, and that person is known to DEA or FBI's part of an ongoing drug investigation, then we could make that in access, and then that seizure would be eligible for federal forfeiture. Up? Follow up? Yeah, thank you and I understand their has been disagreement for years with the state constitution and [xx] and everything like that this constitute debate in Federal Law not State Law and I understand that, but my question is this what portion portion of your forfeitures. We are due to random stuffs, basically I guess you'd say that one that didn't have an access to a federal investigation. What motion of revenue are you going to lose? Was it a thrid a half, and if you don't have any information, that is fine if you can just get it to us for help. What I'm trying to determine is whether we have agree with the Attorney General's opinion or not, we're going to have to backfill that hope with I guess tax dollars or some other revenues. And I'm just trying to determine what kind of a hoe we're looking at. Yes sir Mr. Chair. Thank you Greg Barker for department of public safety, we would get you that information, and I take exactly, obviously it's going to affect the patrol much more and then it would affect the State Bureau of Investigation, but yes I will get you that information. Thank you. Any other question on behalf of the committee? Senator Nick has a [xx] On a personal note, I like to close, as you all know [xx] we held the US open last year and I know if I sought anonymous names that I will miss some, but I can only tell you how proud we were to be a representative of North Carolina, they have the agencies of Commissioner Baker, Canal Grey and B. W. Kalia of your agencies. I was able to go in and look at the intelligence, it was interesting, we had, Chair this is over now, the domestic where they warned a lady to stay away from a player,

and B. W's group was able single in within 30 feet of this lady, because she's on the cell phone, and pick her up with no incidents, and nobody knew anything about it. It was great and actually good not to know that you guys are here, and also because I've got to back home,  our special agent Pinkston. She looked out for me back home. but it's a great, we have a great asset in security with you guys and so while we going to leave to happy and love each other I know next time we meet we going to be talking about the budget, and we won't be as friendly with each other, but we do love you, and do a great job, we do think about you and pray about you, your safety at night and thank you all for what you do for state of North Carolina, meeting adjourned. Thank you Mr, thank you sir [xx] I've really [xx] [xx].