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House | May 8, 2013 | Committee Room | Elections

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House committee will please come to order members take your seat as always we would like to welcome and thank our ??? Chad Turlington Cameron Flora ??? Williams and Corey Loris i can't say that word thank you so much for being with us our house sergeant of arms staff Marvin lee Carlton Adams Jesse Hayes and Martha perish. Thank you for your service of course to the committee staff and to our social staff as well, we have a very full agenda today and chairs and tenants to try to move through it so with that representative Ross is the lady ready to present the proposed committee substitute for house bill 918 if not we can come back the chair apologizes if that caught you off guard there is proposed committee substitute for House bill 918 representative Michelle has moved that the proposed committee substitute be before the committee for discussion is their objections seem none so ordered representative Ross you are recognized to explain proposed committee substitute for bill 918 [Speaker Change] thank you very much Mr. Chairman I'm going to give kind of a broader overview of this spell and where it came from but I would like that on staff to go through kind the line by line changes even thought representative Stan doesn't like that I will let the staff elaborate how is that as necessary this bill alters the current reporting schedule for independent expenditures and electioneering communications and the only difference in the PCS is that it corrects some internal cross citations and clarifies that referendum election should not be included in the special or should be included in the special reports whenever necessary and that it makes some conforming in clarifying organizational changes this was really a lot of this came from recommendations from the state Board of elections and from the good government community to make sure that we have reporting at times when it can actually help the public so some of our reporting happens after the events have happened and the public hasn't had that kind of information our new head of the state Board of elections can strap was very involved in doing the drafting on this and I'm pleased that we have bipartisan cosponsors and I'll leave it to the staff for any particulars I appreciate your support [Speaker change] Representative ??? will you please state your purpose [Speaker Change] I'm looking for my PC it's right behind the bill summary [Speaker Change] The chair would like to ask the sergeant of arms to take representative Mobley of proposed committee substitute of house bill 918 representative Ross before we ask staff do members desire further explanation of this bill [Speaker Change] ????????????????? representative Ross you mention about reporting prior to offer the elaborate [Speaker Change] Here is a perfect example Rep. Floyd on page 2 of the bill when you're talking about independent expenditures and again this is not this is not members reporting this is independent expenditures and electioneering communications so these are basically all those outside groups on both sides and how they you know people don't necessarily know what they're doing and when they're doing it so it's going to require the reporting to be at slightly different times so for example the initial report for independent expenditures so these are people that are not coordinated with candidates they are just people who work under these issue oriented people who go out there and say and they can say vote for and vote against because their independent expenditures but they are not coordinated that they're going to have to rather than within 30 days of incurring an expense they're going to have to start doing reports within 10 days of incurring an expense so you know they start to go on

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I'm going to recognize Representative Jones to offer a motion. Representative Jones. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move for a favorable report for the proposed committee substitute for House Bill 918, unfavorable to the original. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and Gentleman, Representative Jones has moved the proposed committee substitute for House Bill 918 be given a favorable report, unfavorable to the original bill. Is there any further discussion or debate? Seeing none, those in favor of the motion please signify by saying aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye [SPEAKER CHANGES] Those who oppose the motion, signify by saying no. In the opinion of the Chair the ayes have it and the motion carries. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Committee. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Ross, if you don't object, we are going to display 919 for just a moment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sure. [SPEAKER CHANGES] At this time we are going to move into House Bill 311. There is a Proposed Committee Substitute for House Bill 311. The Chair would like to recognize Representative Alexander, Warren, Jeter and Michaux if they would like to speak on this but before that Representative Michaux does move that the Proposed Committee Substitute for House Bill 311 be before the committee for consideration. Is there objection? Seeing none, it is so ordered. Representative Alexander, you have the floor to explain House Bill 311. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is truly a bipartisan measure designed to take out of our constitution a measure that was put in the late 1800's, around 1898 or 1899, thereabouts, it's been in our constitution ever since. It only had one reason it was put in there and that was initially to suppress the black vote. We have had a tremendous amount of progress over the ensuing century and it is about time, we believe, to reflect that progress by changing the constitution [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Chair? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Pardon me, Representative. Representative Floyd, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] At the appropriate time, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir. As soon as the gentleman completes his remarks. You have the floor, Representative Alexander. [SPEAKER CHANGES] My only, the last thing I was going to say was, the bill would have this put before the voters in 2014. [SPEAKER CHANGES] In the interest of time, the Chair is going to move to the Committee at this time. Representative Floyd, I believe you wish to offer a motion. Are there any inquiries or comments on the bill. If not, Representative Floyd you are recognized for the purpose of offering a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Move for favorable report for House Bill 311. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Floyd has moved that the Proposed Committee Substitute for House Bill 311 be given a favorable report, unfavorable to the original bill. Was there further discussion or debate? Seeing none, those who favor the motion will signify by saying aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye [SPEAKER CHANGES] Those who oppose will signify by saying no. In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it and the motion carries. Congratulations, Representative. At this time we are going to again move on the agenda to House Bill 794, if Representative Saine is here? Representative Saine, Representative Luebke. There is a proposed committee substitute, we will hold that for a moment to allow the bill sponsor to speak on House Bill 794. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You do have House Bill 794 in front of you which is the Voter Freedom Act of 2013. If you are not familiar with it, this is very similar to other legislation that has passed the House prior. Basically, it is about ballot access. We believe that ballot access is a fundamental right, that all parties should have a right to be heard, be at the table, during our elections. North Carolina's current ballot access laws, the second most restrictive in the nation, impose an excessive and unreasonable requirement on new political parties and unaffiliated candidates sits far and above the standard prevalent in most other states. These laws also deny citizens their right to vote for the candidates of their choice, their right to run for office and their right to freedom of association to form alternative political parties to place candidates on the ballot and freedom of conscious

Every measure would leave something for somebody writes that are unacceptable a free state collection of action for permits close to move to spot the best interstate's Munich on our slanting competition to deploy on under the agreement and then I wish all belong to other districts of local elections will ever be less than that one reason we believe in the variety of ideas challenge of our democracy that's the reason behind this bill and one of the week bulk of the substitute started in Izmir and we needed to get some resolution of a couple or forest , for cello, free competition of the year one of the remote enforcer raiders as saying in the schools safer strengthen his housemates within two years ago passed as dealer. Some of the law and the senate, someone taking out some of the already has body of spoken on this two years ago(SPEAKER CHANGES) I would just add to the coroner Jim Saenger Monson connection to think that what we have right now to move on if we're going to see an idea of the lists about once a month and small parties that the point very sad, the column in group BC 9000 valid signatures to go about on this bill would drop the 211 house armed troops and its are going to have to five and a stay on the ballot 9952 percent statewide vote in Perl race in drops on your 0.5 so basically on what we're (SPEAKER CHANGES) saying is that politicians fear that same kind of these babies are both rational and to be the 11,000 valid signatures are two of 11,000 feet wide and signatures prostate is a reason both racial and thousands too much trust company from libertarian party on in and they told me is in full view the action on the people on signatures rounds today, the people around us around walls in the area because it does seem like to be else's closing bracket would have to get 2% actually have done more than 2% last to return elections 2000 miles from the net before the mission and some ideas and they should have a right to be on their school as well as another two and I think I'm a democrat restricting the sale of the regional airlines are not have any ideas the firm Morgan and were so be it a lot like the thresholds its own software maker of video astronomers and saying moves on to the proposed be substituted four are still some 94 people for the bay is there objection referred calls to George seen on all its sole war and the proposed new substitute for hostile 794 is the fourth, two bay networks so that all students were recognized from four and amendment two areas when asked if you read this and not have to produce all 42 copies and from the two with two Russian Jones please listen for pages chairman is a very simple amendments are friendly and ms four by the bill's sponsors in the late stages one word which is why we have been passing out that the look on page one row behind a slight 10 losses of the joint legislative elections oversight committee 90 study topics year and one exchange bank to sell said the amendment would change the word they could award shells Richard Jones has moved to amend the proposed use of two home page one line 10 others are further discussion today on the motion for some jealousy among those favor motions and focusing on by the supposed to,(SPEAKER CHANGES) saying the pinch Aragon said the deal is made of registering to have be of more than march in just one quick, taken back from a missing woman should discontinue some of the word change of only two business property and many of the study committee will likely miss the opportunity to discuss from issues its only members of a commemorative events apiece and on to believe that worsens saying this move had told the post research two for hostile 794 be given to be the host committee staff two ??............

House bill 794 as amended to be enrolled into a new proposed committee substitute, and that that committee substitute be given a favorable report, unfavorable to the original bill. Is there further discussion or debate? Seeing none, those in favor of the motion will signify by saying aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Those opposed will signify by saying no. In the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. The motion carries. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister Chairman. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Riddell. At this time, we're going to move to House bill 951, House bill 951, and Representative, chair will recognize Representative Riddell to present House bill 951. You have the floor sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister Chairman. Friends on the committee, this is a very simple bill you have before you. The bill actually is smaller than the PCS that goes with it. You may remember from April fifteenth on your tax form there is this check off for you to designate three dollars of your taxes to go to one of three political parties, the Democrat, the state Democrat political party, the state Republican political party or the state Libertarian political party. You can also designate other, and those funds will be bundled together and then distributed by a prorated ratio. What this bill would do is eliminate that three dollar check off box for the North Carolina Republican Party, North Carolina Democratic Party, North Carolina Libertarian Party and just eliminate the program completely. It's my opinion and I hope it will be yours, the majority opinion, that the state of North Carolina has no business soliciting money on behalf of political entities. That is not a proper scope for state government. There are many things a state government needs to do, and should do well, but being the solicitor for political parties is not one of them. So that's the very brief explanation of this very simple bill and I'll be happy to try to entertain any questions the committee might have. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill and ask a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman may debate the bill and then ask a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] My debate is great bill, thank you. My question is this, how much will this save for the general fund per year, if anybody knows. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Chair is gonna direct that to staff and they may need just a moment to pull up the ??. We're gonna get that for you, Representative Stam, if we can get back to that. Is there further, are there further members seeking recognition? Yes sir, please state your purpose. All right, let's hold that just for a moment, we could get the answer to Representative Stam's inquiry. Representative Stam, with your indulgence could the chair direct staff to send that out to all of the members. [SPEAKER CHANGES] That would be fine. My vote is not dependent on it, I just wanted to try to spend that money elsewhere. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay, Representative Avila, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You are recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. I wanna clarify, the three dollars you are talking about comes from the taxes that are due to the state. It's deducted from the individual's taxes that they would pay, right? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That is my understanding. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Comment, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You have the floor, ma'am. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I really like this bill, and I like it even more because of a group that visited my office recently who were lobbying to get a check off for contributions to their organization, but they made very clear that they did not want it to come from the taxes. They want it to come from the refund. And it sheds a whole new light on check off. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Michaux. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think you need a correction on that. The money is not taken from the taxpayer in this situation. [SPEAKER CHANGES] What we'll do is direct that to staff, and staff can, staff can correct the chair. It's chair's understanding that the money is appropriated, it doesn't affect what the taxpayer pays in, just what goes out. Is that correct? Is that addressed? All right, further discussion or debate. Representative Harrison, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Chair, I just wanted a little bit of background from the staff if possible about when we put this in place and maybe what other states do. Are we unique in this or

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Where it's not supported for Mac users. We have contracted with a vendor however and that is part of what they are supposed to provide us is the ability for all users, especially Mac users... [Speaker Changes] ?? [Speaker Changes] Including Mac users, to be able to use the software. It's not available currently. It's supposed to be available this year. I will tell you that is part of the proposal and it's one of the big reasons why we wanted to change the software. [Speaker Changes] Representative Harrison, just to make you aware if you look at the line 23 of the PCS, it doesn't become effective until January 1st, 2014. So, it gives the whole year to kind of get things worked out. [Speaker Changes] Ms. Drakus, Chair, [inaudible] Do you anticipate that the update to accept Mac or Ios software will be in place by January 1st 2014. [Speaker Changes] I certainly hope so. I certainly hope so. We're working with the vendor. And that is what they have told us that it will be ready by that time and that is what we are expecting. [Speaker Changes] If I could follow up on that. That sanguin attitude that what if its not ready and those of us who have Macs. Is there some way to put some language in here that just qualifies that software is available for all computer types? Would that be inappropriate. [Speaker Changes] I think the bill sponsor agrees with that approach. I think they're trying to decide how to address your concern. Let me recognize Rep. Ross to respond to that. [Speaker Changes] We don't want anyone to get in trouble simply because of technology. So what we can do is we can work on an admendment for the floor with the board of elections and Rep. Harrison if you want to work on that, that's completely fine. It won't be on the floor probably until next week and so, that'd be great. [Speaker Changes] The chair has Rep. Speciale, Rep. Jones, and Rep. Floyd. So Rep. Speciale? [Speaker Changes] I'm just curious why $10,000 for other political commitees, instead of $5,000. The suggestion is to delay it until 2015. That should give them time to fix that Mac problem. [Speaker Changes] Just the second point, I think our feeling is that it needs to be in place 2014. It's unfortunate that it's not Mac compatible, but that's a minority of users and so we'll carve out that exception for them. ??? [Speaker Changes] We could lower it if you wanted too. The other political commitees aren't necesarily subjected to as much kind of public scrutiny as we are, but if you wanted to lower it I wouldn't have an objection unless the Board of Elections has an objection. The idea was just that if they were at less than $10,000 they weren't actually probably doing as much, and so that was why we had it at $10,000. [Speaker Changes] Rep. Floyd? [Speaker Changes] I just had some concerns about electronic reporting. I also have some concerns, but you addressed that partly about January 2014. Given IT experience that I've seen here around Raleigh, we just don't meet them dates. We just don't meet them. So I think that pushing it out further with a confirm date, then just, perhaps as Rep. Harrison mentioned about whenever, but we need to push it back. So that we know firmly. Six months out, July, whatever, but IT here just don't work as well as it should. [Speaker Changes] Well, we're going to work with Rep. Harrison on an amendment that deals with people who have some kind of technological impediment to complying, but given that 2014 is a big election all the way around and people are going to be very interested in it to the extent that people can comply. I think that the public has a right to be able to have access to this information. Again, I think that it will help the candidates. Because, some people get called in by the Board of Elections for not giving information in the proper...

[Speaker changes.]...for format and things like that but when you have to do it electronically, it really does help you and your treasurer comply and then you won't have to come back...and you...I mean it's really an advantage to do it this way in terms of compliance. [Speaker changes.] Follow up, Mister Chair. [Speaker changes.] The gentleman may state his inquiry. [Speaker changes.] My concern...the definite time...about January 1, 2014. The window's too short. IT it and ????????? just don't function. Any IT program we try to put together just don't meet the target date. [Speaker changes.] Well, Representative Floyd, we already have it in place for everybody except for the MAC folks so that's... [Speaker changes.] Follow up, Mister Chair. [Speaker changes.] This 2014 just let's not be the date that I would like to see given the IT concern that we have had round here in Raleigh. Whether it's MAC, ac, tac or whatever. It just doesn't ????? it. [Speaker changes.] Alright, Representative Floyd, the Chair ????? ????? Blust. [Speaker changes.] Question for Representative Luebke, won't making this a requirement suppress the number of people who can run for office and create barriers? [Speaker changes.] Representative Blust, the Chair is going to assume you ask that...????? [Speaker changes.] Representative Faircloth. [Speaker changes.] Thank you, Mister Chairman. I'm not trying to belittle an issue at all but electronically could mean if I go on the state site, pull down the form, type in the information and then email it back. That's electronically as well. Do we need to define that it's a particular system used...or whatever. [Speaker changes.] Representative Faircloth, the Chair apologizes. Did you wanna direct that to staff or the bill sponsors or... [Speaker changes.] Representative Ross or Representative Luebke, do you have a response or would you like to think about it and come back to it? [Speaker changes.] Well, what I say is...and maybe this isn't clear enough...I'll defer to staff but if you look at Line 21, it says "the State Board of Elections shall provide the software to file an electronic report to the Treasurer required to file the report at no cost to the Treasurer" and so that does give the implication that there's a particular kind of software. But, if you wanna clarify that, that's just fine with me. [Speaker changes.] Representative McNeill? Representative Starnes. [Speaker changes.] Well, I may be the only person in here that doesn't like this so good. (Laughter.) But it might be me and it might be you...I don't know but somebody's gonna be in there in your home tryin' to fill out your report the night before it's due and somethin's not workin' right and you can't figure it out and there's no provision...you know how to fill it out on a piece of paper, mail it in, get it postmarked but you don't know how to get it to work on the computer and somebody's goin to get fined because they just didn't have the knowledge or maybe their computer crashed or for whatever reason... so I'm just warnin' ya. Somebody's gonna get fined for havin' late reports just because they aren't comfortable using computers and I might be the one. [Speaker changes.] May I address that, Mister Chair. [Speaker changes.] Representative Ross. [Speaker changes.] Just to be clear...also...it has to be filed according to the rules adopted by the State Board of Elections on Line 9 and I don't know whether the State Board of Elections has a rule for slightly late filings or things like that. I would defer to Ms. ??????? We could certainly ask them to have a rule about ...and maybe put it even and put in Representative Harrison's amendment that, if there's a computer. You know, if they don't have the software for MAC or if there's some kind of computer error that you have a certain number of days to file it. [Speaker changes.] Representative Bryan. [Speaker changes.] Representatives Ross and Luebke, I wanna thank you. My Treasurer asked me to do about three things and this is one of the three things he asked me to get done. I have a feeling you guys won't be able to help me with the other two but I appreciate your help on this one. Thank you. [Speaker changes.] Well, you could help us with a motion. (Soft laughter.) [Speaker changes.] Further discussion on the bill. If not, Representative Bryan moves that the proposed Committee Substitute for House Bill 919 be given a favorable report; unfavorable to the original bill. Is there further discussion or debate on the motion? Seeing none, those who favor the motion to get....

With House Bill 99, excuse me, the proposed Committee Substitute for House Bill 919 to favorable, the court will signify by saying aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Those who oppose will signify by saying no. [SPEAKER CHANGES] No. [SPEAKER CHANGES] In the opinion of the Chair, the ayes have it. The motion carries. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Committee. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, the Chair has been made aware there is a large amendment on House Bill 65 and the Chair does not deem that there is enough time to thoroughly vet this bill. Therefore, there being no further business this Committee stands adjourned.