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House | May 21, 2013 | Committee Room | Transportation

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him, he states at the last day of action and legally invalid on and after friends we met up to God when it is not because of the again nose and all of Thomas 's transportation committee and their downtime Tuesday pages as well as on his arms were fortunate to have for nice pages today where Tabatha Dean from walking down of residue downs of Janet Jackson's outstanding resident Pauline Travis Leslie Fillmore County resident Terry and Justin Scott Wright County resident Dennis will have our excellent staff Sergeant arms felt in Adams Morgan– jolly guy women just to thank you for users with the first bill is representative guns ready. I has been sixty seven, and of the Lamb enthusiast, so you reckon has Smith and Jones, Change speaker: Agnes Chairman, members of the community House Bill sixty seven is about allowing permanent license plates for charter schools. you start out by saying that this is not so much a license plate be a lot had multiple grades and people to contact me to save my great could be added to this be okay. this also has nothing to do with the bill that was passed in the last session that limited who could or could not have on the license place. what this really does is simply recognize that charter schools are also public schools and public will already have the ability to find a half Carmen licensed lights and up until recently it was it was assumed at least. at least it was in my area that charter schools receiving permit, license flights and probably after the meal before was asking Anaheim people 's awareness and they look back and make a long story short, my local charter school was denied this opportunity and and I think it was later made by look into the Lewinsky to clarify the facts that charter schools are indeed both schools. they should have the opportunity to get permanent license plates and Mister Chairman, I'd be happy to answer any questions Change speaker: for the revenue department promotion is German motion in the new Change speaker: are you are you calling on the CIGNA is that Change speaker: unless the question Change speaker: okay last year in transportation. in fact, it may not have been entranced vision of any one of these committees on last year there was a move to bring is the number of permanent place letter out the year and I would like to know hasn't been done. how will this video impact that study or whatever they're doing, and if possible could we postpone this video until we get some feel of how many permanent plates are unclear. Change speaker: Jonathan Jones recognizes him. I keep that? Change speaker: Jane Guillot, I would really prefer as I said earlier, I'm not trying to lump is seen without a great chapter that might be one to apply for apartment license plates and I understand we had to deal the last session energy cited the rain had in somewhat the focus here is basically very narrowly, this is not. not very many instances that the charter schools are in the public schools and should be entitled to license place. this is how the traditional public schools are inside one eight eight is with that, that we were proceeding with this view, Change speaker: calm and pleasant to all Change speaker: this is in the field where the status of that study isn't working out what was the outcome is willing here little bit about it Change speaker: until you have given them after you have adjuvant. Change speaker: I think I can answer that a lot of these permanent place where we bounce last year. I think what you're before last and some of them were rebuilt. I think erroneously and one of whom was a charter school because those are public schools another one. I have in a few minutes on ice my understanding that finance is not generally

these authorities and all to go through, they said it's millions of dollars, but when there are certain ones like the charter school and the one I have in a few minutes, which actually is a local government issue, I think that they're gonna allow those to go through, because they are a minimal fiscal impact to the state, and they are considered county government entities. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Cleveland. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm sorry. Representative Gill, were you finished? Thank you. Representative Cleveland. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We did repeal all of the special plates for sundry and numerous groups in the state. We did it because it was costing us in excess of 350 million dollars a year, and now we're on the road to just bring them all back. We have three here today. None of them- only one of these bills has referred to finance from what I'm reading here. [SPEAKER CHANGES] They all go to finance. Representative Jones, do you want to speak- [SPEAKER CHANGES] I- [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm sorry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm not finished. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Go ahead. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think we're setting a bad precedent. We're having financial problems all across the board, and, once we open this door and allow these various groups to start getting their free plates back, we're gonna be inundated with groups across the state saying, we had this, and you took it away from us, and you gave it to this guy, you gave it to that guy, you gave it to that guy, we should get ours back. I don't think we should start this process. I think we should leave things the way they are for a while until we get a little more financially stable, and we are not financially stable, no matter what you think, so I think this is a bad idea, and I'm not gonna be able to support it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones, do you want to speak to that? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Representative Cleveland. Let me just add a couple of comments, if I may. It is my understanding, and staff, correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that the bill that we passed did not address charter schools. We did not say that it is our intent that charter schools be taken off of this list. It is my understanding that, because charter schools are public schools, that, over time, the DMV has recognized it, and, at least in the case of my county, they've been providing these plates. However, I think, in now looking at the letter of the law, there's some concern about whether or not charter schools are included. I would add that I've had a fiscal note done on this, and just for the committee's information, the net state impact for the next fiscal year, 13/14: 6,900 dollars, and in the years going out after that, we're talking about 8,600 dollars a year, so, that's about as minimal as you can get on our level. I understand the concerns, but I truly believe that there was never any intent by this general assembly to say that charter schools were to be included in the group that was not to receive permanent license plates when other public schools do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay, I have nine names right now, but I believe we have a gentleman from program evaluation that can shed some light on this particular issue. Yes, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir. My name is Larry Yates. I'm a principal evaluator with the program evaluation division. The impetus for this study- we released five different reports on vehicles within the state of North Carolina last year. We found, as we were looking at the permanent license plates, that total control had been lost over the issuance of the permanent plates. There were vehicles still listed in the DMV records that went back to the 1950's, so, the only way to get control was to, number one, have the plates reissued and figure out what was actually out there and what was legitimate. The decision, obviously coming out of the legislature, was government-owned, state-owned type vehicles, and it's pretty clear in 2084 as to what vehicles do receive these plates. Obviously, that's up to y'all for interpretation or changes as you may want to do, but that is the background on what happened, why there was a change, why there was a reissuance of these plates. Hopefully, that helps, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, sir.

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Not want to do that and save them a little money. I mean their educating our children too. I mean I sat through the last debate. Sometimes I think we get a little carried away around here about the system. I’m thinking about the children. I’m thinking about the children that are being educated. And these schools are educating our children and why would we not want to treat them the same way. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Just a follow up, did I understand you say earlier that these would be private vehicles? In other words this vehicle would be owned by an individual who may be the Administrator of a private school…the charter school but it would be their personal vehicle that would get this benefit. [SPEAKER CHANGES] That’s right, I did not say that. I think the bill clearly says that the motor vehicle is owned and exclusively operated by the corporation authorized to operate the charter schools. So they are owned by the charter school. It’s not for somebody’s private use. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Just a clarification. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Clarification. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So the vehicle is titled to the charter school? For insurance purposes? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative, I assume it would be titled to the corporation that says it’s owned by corporation so I assume that means it is titled to the corporation. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Chairman. There were several things I wanted through on this and examining these bills when they first came up, I also did a little research and there are some other questions that come up. You’ve got authorities, Central Line of Council of Governments. Should they be receiving permanent tags? If we create an airport authority for Charlotte Douglas International Airport, should all of their vehicles receive permanent tags? Should Goodwill Industries who contracts with Mecklenburg County receive permanent tags? Now, probably the reason I’m asking that question is because Goodwill Industries has some permanent tags now because I’ve seen them on their pickup trucks. Not their big delivery trucks but just pickup trucks guys are driving around. Representative Jones I appreciated his initiative in providing the financial note and it did come up with some interesting information. Of the 34 charter schools that responded, they either own or plan to own a total 240 vehicles, 21 of which are non school buses, 215 are school buses, 4 of which are light duty pickups. They would be charged a $6.00 annual fee as non-profit charter schools as apposed to the $28 or the $38 that I pay to register my automobile. There’s one other difference though, charter schools while they are public schools are not required to provide transportation. School systems operated by LEs are required to provide transportation. So yes, we’re providing a permanent tag on a bus we’re making them buy and operate. We are being asked to provide a permanent tag on a bus that we’re not making the charter school buy and operate. But just as a nice bobo for $6 bucks a year to the charter school that chooses to do it. I am a charter school proponent. I campaigned on raising the cap. I will continue to support that but this is really isn’t apples to oranges. We’re not making them buy and operate these buses, they choose too. There’s another oh by the way with permanent license plates because their not renewed annually, there is no requirement for an annual safety inspection or emissions inspection on a vehicle with a permanent tag. So we’re not just saying not only are we going to save you $6 bucks a year on your tag but now you don’t have to worry about safety inspections on your vehicle because it’s not tracked, it’s not there. You’ve got a permanent tag; you just go do what you want to do. As good as the case can be made for helping charter schools, this is not an isolated instance where we do this and we’re done. The line then starts. It’s going to be; well you did it for charter schools, why aren’t you doing for council and governments? We’re semi governmental. Why aren’t you doing it for the Charlotte Convention and Visitors Bureau. We’re running tax money. We’re non-profit. Why aren’t you doing it for all of the authorities, all of the management things for the Charlotte Convention and Visitors Bureau? There are going to be a lot of quasi governmental public service groups that are going to ask for this and if it’s only $6 bucks a piece it’s not that big of deal, but we heard a little while ago how many millions of dollars it adds up to. With all due respect to my esteemed colleague I don’t think this is a good idea for us. I think we clean the mess up and rather than just immediately starting to do the same thing over and over again, lets just accept, its limited to government owned, government.

Operated in the furtherance of Government mentioned, and charter schools are not required to operate school buses. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones, do you want to respond to some of that? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir. Thank you Mr. Chairman. I would just…I appreciate my friends remarks. I disagree I guess with the thought pattern that we’re not making them provide the transportation. It seems to me that we would want to encourage that. If they want to provide the transportation and they are in the business of educating our students and they can take that money and use it… remember these are non-profit organizations. They are public charter schools. They’re going to be using the money for something that I think is probably better and that’s for educating our children. We heard a lot of examples of groups that might come forward and probably will come forward. Quite honestly, if it’s the feeling of the majority in this general assembly that we should get out of the business all together of providing permanent plates, maybe nobody should get them. Maybe we should just have annual plates for everybody. But it just seems to me that sense we allow public school to be those that are among those that are able to benefit from this and we do it, I think because we realize that they are better served using their limited dollars to educate children instead of buying license tags, that we should apply the same logic to charter schools which do exactly the same thing and not penalize them because they are actually choosing to provide a service even thought we don’t mandate that they have to. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker… Excuse me, Mr. Chairman, would the gentleman yield for a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. Follow up on what you were saying. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Bert. Is $6.00 per bus really going to make a difference in whether or no they offer transportation? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would just say, Representative, I think $6.00 is what they are paying. My local charter school said that over the course of time this saved them quite a bit of money to be able to do that. I’m just saying, does the state need the money that bad? If we do maybe we should get rid of permanent tags all together. I think what the charter schools telling me is that they have a better use to this fund to educate children then they do to buy license tags and think that sense we do it for traditional public schools we should treat the children in charter schools the same way. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative ?? hand was up, should I put you in the queue or do you want to respond to this particular…? OK. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Chair. It’s not just buses that get the permanent tags in the school LEA’s. It’s also the Superintendent of school and others. I don’t think this is about the money. I think it’s about the principle that we treat our charter schools like our public schools like we’ve intended to do so and so I am defiantly in favor of doing this. I think this is totally different than transit authorities to good will to local authorities. I do believe this is government. This is educating our children. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Rayne Brown. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Chairman. I have to say that I agree with Representative McElraft. Right here it says, the division they issue permanent plates for the following motor vehicles. A motor vehicle owned by board of education. Well a vehicle owned by board of education is not a vehicle that is going to be transportation students. So I really don’t get the argument that its only for the school buses. This seems wide open to me and I totally agree that the charters need to have an opportunity to compete with the public schools as best they can. And if someone could explain to me why we offer that reduced price for a license plate that is owned by a Board of Education, I assume, member or chairman I would really appreciate that. Thank you Mr. Chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Jones do you want to respond to that? [SPEAKER CHANGES] No. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would assume any privately owned vehicles would not have a permanent…owned by the chairman of a school board, it would be a private owned, would not have a permanent plate. Is that correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That’s my understanding Mr. Chairman and again, I would just reiterate again that all the charter schools are asking for is the same privilege that being extended to the traditional public schools. Nothing more, nothing less. I can say it better than my colleague Representative Miguel Rap said it. I don’t think we need to say it again. It’s just all about treating them the same. They’re all trying to educate our children. [SPEAKER CHANGES] On to page 2. Representative Blackwell. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Just a quick comment, going back to the discussion.

Regarding why we took the action we did a year or two ago to eliminate a lot of these permanent plates. And my understanding was that there was thousands of these plates that were out there and that we had sort of lost track of them. and it seems to me that one of the distinctions here between a charter school and between a regular LEA is the distinction between a government body, which is a permanent institution that is there and will continue to be there absent some action of the general assembly, and a private corporation that can change its operations, can go out of business and cease operations at any time. And over time a private corporation, even though it's a charter school and even though that is a public school, can cease operation and then there's two or three more permanent plates that have been issued that are out there and may be no longer being used. And it seems to me if the purpose of what we did a couple of years ago was to gain control of the situation that to ask somebody to pay maybe $6.00 dollars more per vehicle per year so we can keep up with it is maybe not inappropriate and that that distinction between a permanent government institution and a corporation is maybe something that justifies the difference here. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yeah, a couple of things. I keep hearing about this $6.00 fee. Now I'm not an authority here but I know that I pay for my tag every year and I don't pay $6.00. What it says here is that permanent registration plates issued to eligible organizations are subject to a one time registration fee of $6.00. So that's what they are paying. That's not the fee that they're not paying. What that would be paying would be quite a bit more than that and it would be on an annual basis. Now to me it would probably be implied but if it's not I would be perfectly good with language that would say that if a charter school ceases its operation that they have to turn back in their tags. If that's the concern that the tags are going to be out there and that's not already implied I would be perfectly happy with that language. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Chairman. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Gillman [??]. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I have a comment relative to this particular exchange if I may. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You are recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I agree with Representative Blackwell's comments about this problem with the plates and the need to reduce the number but - and tell me if my math is flawed here, but if there are 100 charter schools and it will cost the state $8600 dollars, then on average that's $86 dollars per year, per charter school. So I can't find the harm really that's being done to charters by not getting their permanent plates. If there's a flaw in that math I haven't seen it yet. So I just wanted to make that point. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones you want to respond to that? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Only to say that if that's the case that is an average per school but all schools would not be affected and some schools might be affected more significantly. I don't know, I'm not the CPA that works for these schools. I'm just saying the school that came to me was really concerned about it, it was going to be a significant cost for them and at the end of the day $8600 dollars is a lot of money to me, now in the context of a $20.6 billion dollar budget for the state of North Carolina you can make that determination. But I would just make the argument that representative McElrath made. I think it is more than just the money. Money's always important around here, but the question is do we think that we ought to treat traditional public schools and charter public schools the same way in this way that is going to cost the state of North Carolina very very little money in the great schemes of things? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay, I've got is it Gillman [??], does that satisfy your...? Okay. Representative Bumgardener. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Chairman. This turned out to be an interesting debate and I appreciate all the good information that representative Brawley shared with us. but according to the way the law is written that you read a little while ago, I don't understand why there's an issue at all. Why are all of a sudden charter schools not getting the tags they were getting before? And another thing that amazes me is how in the world can we have permanent tags still in use or out there somewhere that were issued in the fifties? I can't hardly believe that, that's an amazing thing.

?? speak to that or is it ?? I have some history for you.[speaker changes] I think I will speak if I may just with a question to staff. Currently with all permanent license plates is there no requirement for those license plates to be turned back in. [speaker changes] First question. Let Mr. ?? or Mr. Perryhaven answer. [speaker changes] Yes, I believe that's current law in subsection A of 20-84. [speaker changes] Again I would just follow up and say I would be perfectly comfortable with an amendment that would require these charter schools to turn their plates back in if they go out of business. [speaker changes] Mr ?? somebody also has a response. [speaker changes] ?? During our evaluation we found that there were definitely a lack of turn in of these plates it is a requirement, however if the organization goes out of business or whatever previously that had the plates. There was definitely loss track of these plates and who may or may not have been using them and thats part of the issue that we found is that nobody had cleared license plates from thirty, forty, fifty years ago from the DMV records. [Speaker changes] Mr. ?? [speaker changes] Yes sir. [speaker changes] Questions for staff. [Speaker changes] ?? sir. [speaker changes] Approximately how many charter schools have gone out of business in this state in the last ten years? A year, five years, ten years? Probably negligible, but ... [speaker changes] ?? I found the number three or four but I am not sure if the is accurate. Representative ?? may have an answer. Representative Shepard [speaker changes] Yes sir, Mr. ?? just for a comment, in the last session when we looked at this and we realized there were a lot of people in this state that had permanent tags that did not need them we also realized that there were people who had had them since the forties and the fifty's and so fourth. It was something that needed to be done, but as in a lot of things that we do in the general assembly and in government sometimes we over react and we hurt people that should be qualifying. I support what Representative Jones is trying to do here because if that is a public school and those tags are going to be licensed under the name of the corporation, I think that they should get that. In the same token I know there are other non profit agencies that I am aware of that fulfill a need for our state for our local counties. There is one in my area. They basically take senior citizens to the doctor, they take them to the grocery store, they do so much in support of the department of social services. They take people to dialysis, if they need to go to the veterans hospital, they take them. During this process that we did and eliminated some of the things that were going on with these tags, most people were also hurt and I also believe that in some of these cases these agencies deserve to have a permanent tag too and we say well it might not be very much money and its not based on the research I have done, however every dime helps when we are crunching money and when you are a non profit agency or any agency and they are providing a service for our counties, our communities and for the people that live in those counties and communities so, you know I am supportive of what Representative Jones is doing but I also want to point out there are other non profit agencies that are providing a tremendous service to the senior citizens and to those that are handicapped and so fourth through our world transit agencies and so fourth that also lost their permanent tags. So you know, I dont know where we stop and I agree that we should make sure that all of these people have permanent tags, because they are doing a great service for the state. [speaker changes] A couple of comments, and then Representative Jones is going to be recognized again. I have been told we do have a ?? fiance meeting we have to be at ten till and its our attention to take a vote right away here.

Okay thank you. All due respect representative Carin, we’re going to go ahead and take a vote and I believe a motion ?? [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr. chairman. First question I have for you is would you accept a motion that would roll with this one and boat them both out? [Speaker Changes] I don’t believe that would be in order. Okay then I move that the house committee in transportation report out favorable to house bill 67. With referral to finance [Speaker Changes] Okay you’ve heard the motion. All favor say Aye. Oppose No. Okay the house appears to have it, bills passed. And apologize for the timing but we don’t have time to take another bill. I’m sorry representative Mccallery you have one minute/ [Speaker Changes] ?? My families landfill, it is a county government agency and there are two county authorities in the state of north Carolina they are counties that government authorities got left out and totally opposite there should be no decision on this they are county authorities. [Speaker Changes] Representative county remains the PCS be enforced. All in favor Aye [Speaker Changes] Motion to Shepherd [Speaker Changes] ?? two thrity six. ?? [Speaker Changes] PCS – okay all in favor say aye. The houses have it. This meeting is adjourned.