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House | February 14, 2013 | Chamber | Session

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Speaker: The house will come to order. Members, please take your seats. Members, p[lease retire from the chamber. Sargeant in arms, please secure the doors. Members and visitors, please silence all cellular phones and electronic devices. The prayer will be offered by Representative Davel. Members and visitors please stand and remain standing for the pledge of allegiance. Representative: Happy Valentines Day friends. I would like to read from 1st Corinthians 13. Though I speak with the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have charity, I am become a sounding grass or a tinkling cymbal. Though I have the gift of prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith so that I could move mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. Though I bestow all ,my goods to feed the poor and though I give my body to be burned and have not charity, it profit me nothing. Charity suffers long and is kind. Charity envies not, charity vaunts not itself, it is not puffed up. It does not behave itself unseemly, it seeks not its own, it is not easily provoked, it thinks no evil, it rejoices not in inequity, but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things and believes all things, hopes and endures all things. Charity never fails. Please join me in prayer. Father, we thank you for this day you have given us. Every day is a gift from you. This valentine’s day, when we think a lot about love, understand that we love because you first love d us, and, if we love just you, understand that we will keep all commandments, not just the ones we find agreeable or easy, but all of them. we are to love you with all our hear, mind, body and soul, and our neighbor as ourself. We come before you this day in prayer for our president, all those in federal office, service for our governor, those of us privileged to be in this body, servants of yours and government, the senate, other officers in government, and all those down to the local magistrates, city councils and commissioners. We pray for wisdom. We pray for discernment. We pray for a spirit of love. In christ’s name we pray. Amen [pledge of allegiance] Speaker: Representative Moore is recognized. Representative: Mr. Speaker, the journal for Wednesday, February 14, 2013, has been examined and found to be correct. I move that it is approved as written. Speaker Representative Moore moves that the journal for February 14th be approved as written. All those in favor say aye [aye]. All those opposed say no [silence]. The aye’s have it. The journal is approved as written. Petitions, memorials or letters addressed to the general assembly or the house. Ratifications, bills and resolutions. The clerk will read. Clerk: The rolling clerk reports the following bills due to be ratified due to preservation of governor senate bill 14, an act to direct the state board of education to develop career and [xx] school of [xx] , public schools to work with the state board of community colleges, degrees, technical education, high needs [xx]; house bill 4, an act to address the unemployment insurance debt, NC’s unemployment insurance program in putting claimants back to work. Speaker: Ladies and gentleman of the house, the clerk will be reading the escort committee for the state of the state address for the governor on Monday. The clerk will read. The house will come to order. Clerk :Escort committee Representative Howard chair, Representatives Stamm, Samuel, Hayward, Donnelson, Elhall, Ray, McShaw, and Earl. Speaker: The senate will be so notified.

Chapter?? bills?? be noted. Ladies and gentlemen, the Chair is happy to welcome both the doctor and the nurse of the day. The doctor of the day is Doctor John Ebert??, a friend who hails from Charlotte. The nurse of the day Audrey Neal from Durham. Thank you and thank you for your service to the House. Reports?? of standing subcommittees and permanent subcommittees, Representatives Stone and Warren are recognized ?? forth committee report, Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? committee, Representatives Stone and Warren, House Bill 37, Cleveland County Property Tax Transfer, favorable as to the committee?? substitute??, unfavorable as to the original bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The committee substitute bill will be referred to the committee on finance, original bill unfavorable?? calendar. Introduction of bills and resolutions, the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives, Cleveland and ?? House Bill 96, equal tax treatment of government retiree benefits. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Government unfavorable?? finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Horn, Johnson, Saine and Tolson House Bill 97, lottery fund to?? use?? for digital learning. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Education. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Langdon and Daughtry, House Bill 98, Johnston County Schools, calendar flexibility. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Education. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Adams, House Bill 99, Caregiver Relief Act. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Health and human services to a favorable judiciary a favorable appropriations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Adams, House Bill 100, Healthy Families and Workplaces, paid sick days. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Commerce and job development if favorable judiciary. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Martin, Howard, Moffitt Setzer, House Bill 101, Repeal Estate?? Tax. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Alexander, House Bill 102, Online Voter Registration. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Elections. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Lucas and?? L.?? Bell, House Bill 103, Legislative Mileage Rate at I.R.S. Rate. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Appropriations, if the Clerk will yield on House Bill 102, the referral would be elections if?? favorable?? appropriations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Lucas and?? L.?? Bell, House 103, Legislative Mileage Rate at I.R.S. Rate. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Transportation if?? favorable finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative W. Brawley, Moffitt, Torbett and Samuelson, House Bill 104, Charlotte Regional Airport Authority. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The cerk will yield on 104 and 103, the Chair referred in error, strike the prior referral, the House Bill 103 is referred to appropriations, House Bill 104 is referred to transportation, if?? favorable finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Fulgham, Hollo, Stam and Horn, House Bill 105, Required ?? ?? Newborn Screening. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Health and human services. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Pages, if we could please have you all come up to the front of the chamber, those of you up at the dais if you could step down momentarily. While the pages are coming forward, upon motion of member from Guildford County, Representative John Hardister, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to his father, Wayne Hardister, and his friends, Brady Patton?? and Ron Robertson??. Please stand and let us welcome you. Pages, we wanted to go ahead and early - not knowing how the calendar's going to go today - and we want to make sure that we properly thank you for your service to the House this week, I hope that you all had an opportunity to make friends and learn a little bit and I would really encourage you to take your, the story of your experience back and encourage more of your friends and brothers and sisters to come and join us in the future. Thank you very much for your service this week. And now you may return to your stations. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, I am told by the Clerk that there may be, there may be, not necessarily ??

…going to be. There may be some issues with the voting system today. If an issue occurs we’ll figure out how to get the votes done but I’ll look to the Clerk to let me know whether or not it’s anything that I need to act on. House Bill 82, the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute for House Bill 82, a bill to be entitled, “An Act to Update the Reference to the Internal Revenue Code and to Decouple from Certain Provisions of the Federal American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012.” General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Before I recognize Representative Howard to debate the bill, ladies and gentlemen of the House, we are going to try and just keep…Yesterday I announced that we would have 30 minutes of debate on Senate Bill 4. We will. But instead of taking a vote at around 1:30 it will be taken in turn. Representative Howard is recognized to debate House Bill 82. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. This is the Internal Revenue Code update of the bill that you see every year. Each year the General Assembly must decide whether to conform to the Federal tax law changes and usually this is done in the year following those changes. But this year the Fiscal-cliff legislation was enacted on January 2, 2013. In the past North Carolina has only decoupled from the very costly bonus depreciation and section 179 which is the expensing provisions. This year the objective was to minimize the General Fund impact as much as possible while at the same time minimizing the complexity for taxpayers and for the Department of Revenue. With that in mind, if you have with you today or can locate the summary of the bill, on page four you will see an outline of all of the various provisions and the ones that we decoupled from, meaning for those of us who are new to the House, that means we are not conforming to what the Federal law has imposed. Where it says that we are coupling, meaning that we are conforming. So there’s a list of those and I believe those will be on your screen. The bill conforms to all of the provisions that were retroactive to the 2012 tax year with the exception of the 179 provision because we recognize that we are almost in the middle of tax filing season and the provisions that would require taxpayers to refer to old, prior, obsolete versions of the Code or keep two separate books for their accounting purposes if we decoupled because it would be very complicated. The bill decouples from several provisions to minimize the fiscal impact on our state budget. The bonus depreciation, the section 179, the expensing for both 2012 and 2013, the qualified tuition and expense deductions, the mortgage interest premium as interest deduction, the income exclusion for the discharge of residents’ indebtedness and the income exclusion for IRA distributions to charities by a person who has attained the age of 70-and-a-half years. The bill also modifies three current North Carolina tax credits by reducing the credit percentage for the tax year 2013 because those credits piggyback against the Federal credits that were enhanced by Federal legislation. By reducing the percentage of those credits the impact on the budget is revenue neutral. Those three tax credits will expire next year regardless of what we would do. Those three credits are the old income tax reducing the percentage from five percent of the Federal tax credit to 4.5…

The OTC from 6% to 3% and the adoption credit from 50% to 30%. By decoupling and modifying these provisions, we reduce the impact on general fund from $219 million to $13 million in the year 13-14. And with that Mr. Speaker I will be glad to answer any questions. [Speaker Changes] Ladies and gentlemen on the floor. We continue the debate here and the chair would like to extend the courtesies of the gallery to a group of elementary school students from Holtrain web elementary school Concord . Thank you for coming here today and thanks to the teachers and Chaprons who come with you. Welcome. Rep Luebke please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] Sent forth an amendment [Speaker Changes]The gentlemen is recognized to send forth an amendment The clerk will read [Speaker Changes] Rep Luebke moves to amend the bill on page 1 lines 2 to 4 by rewriting the lines to read [Speaker Changes] The gentlemen is recognized to debate the amendment [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Members of the house, if you have your bills with you either hard copy or in screen I would urge you I request you to turn to Page4 Line 19. Because this is the issue that concerns me is the failure to move forward on the earned income tax credit for our state tax payers. As the bill is written, the state EITC, Earned Income tax credit will expire in 2014. My amendment moves it forward makes a statement that we will continue to state our earned income tax credit till 2019. Now what is EITC? Some know but some do not. The EITC is something that first of all listen carefully was heralded was advocated for by President Ronald Reagan. Please listen on the other side of the aisle there. Why? Because the EITC rewards what. It allows two things going on. Number 1 it allows employers who cannot small employers business employers who cannot afford to pay living wage to the employees. It allows them to hire that person at say $10 $11 an hour when the person needs really to have a living wage and the person can after filing federal tax return get a tax credit which in effect increases the person’s the family’s income. So that’s good for business because they get to hire folks . It’s also the humane thing to do for these low income employees. It is set up as a tax credit for the working low income or moderate income families of the country. What we did in the general assembly in 2007 was to implement a 5% credit, which means if you add earned income tax credit of $100 from federal fund we would from out department of revenue from our general fund send you $5. I do not disagree with what Rep Howard has recommended in terms of reducing it to $4 and 50 cents. There is kind of a technical reason on why it is and there is not a problem with that. But if there is a problem with the fact that we do not make a statement to the working people of the state that we support their hard work and we want them to continue to have their credit. And I way members from my perspective that the vote we took to cut unemployment benefits as much as we did was an unfortunate vote what we took yesterday not to accept the medic aid dollars, was an unfortunate vote. Here is a chance that’s still positive. Here is a chance to do something for the working families by voting yes on this amendment and I urge the adoption of the amendment. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [Speaker Changes] Rep Howard, Please your purpose [Speaker Changes] To debate the amendment [Speaker Changes] Lady is recognized to debate the amendment [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker and Dr Luebke. Thank you. Members of this house. We had this woman in finance and it was sourly defeated. If I could tell you a few things, this provision is already to sun set at the end of this year. It was supposed to sun set at the end of last year. But because of the tax modernization the provision was extended one year further. The checks the amount of checks.

214: Speaker1: This is not a credit, this is a refund, re-writing checks in tax amounting to a 110 million dollars. Now I mentioned in the committee and I mention it again with more evidence there is a lot of fraud in this program. In this document comes from the Department of Revenue; I’ll give you an example how pieces of foul play into this. This is one example; many married couples pledge that they have children and both file as heads of households. So that means that the IS system and the Internal Revenue, I’m sorry the North Carolina Department of Revenue, they have to scrutinize each one of these xxx and they don’t have the manpower , they just sample, randomly sample and the fraud is estimated to be between 23 and 28 percent of all ERTC claims that were paid xxx. I would ask you to vote no on this amendment. Speaker changes: Representative Holley please state your purpose. Speaker changes: To speak on the amendment. Speaker changes: The lady is recognized to explain the amendment. Speaker changes: First of all I want to repeat what Representative Luebke said; this is a tax credit for poor families and people making most of the time making minimum wage, which we have already determined is not a living wage. It is a tax credit. We give Tax credits to anybody who just about ask for it, but this is one for poor people. The other thing is I think we think we need to be very careful when we throw around the word fraud. And we start talking about 23, 28 percent of anything being fraud, because it has not been substantiated, it is not proven and we need to be careful and these are poor people who are at the mercy of us right now. To try to get a little bit of wage rather would earn income tax credit. Thank you. Speaker changes: Motion. Speaker changes: The gentleman has arisen for motion. Speaker changes: Mr. Speaker, I think we will remove this bill from today’s calendar and re-calendar it for Tuesday February 19. Speaker changes: Without objection, so ordered. House bill 10, the clerk will read. Speaker changes: House bill 10, the bill has been drawn to remove the restriction on the xx party’s selection of a cadre vocation for the South-Eastern extension project of North Carolina 540; Representatives of North Carolina in act. Speaker changes: Representative Dollar please state your purpose. Speaker changes: To speak on the bill. Speaker changes: Gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. Speaker changes: Thank you Mr. Speaker, members of the House, I appreciate the vote yesterday, and hopefully will have just a stronger vote today. I would call your attention to a piece of paper that Representative Stam had placed on your desk ; we went back because of questions on both sides of the aisle with respect to the cost , additional cost on the environmental impact, stating that additional cost xx central staff is one million dollars. Now it is basically simply said a million dollar project. We have 18.8 miles of this project bills, cost of a billion dollars. We have got the next 12 plus miles to go, we have got a tremendous investment, this is the largest North Carolina sponsored road project in the history of our state. It makes no sense not to complete it. We want to clarify something because a question was asked yesterday. This environmental impact paper is done on every project they do, so that is always a requirement there. Our problem is f the Federal Government who has to be involved in the financing of this we will not participate unless all of the routes that were originally identified by the North Carolina Department of Transportation are included in the environmental study. And that is standard procedure , so we do this and again I think as we mentioned before I think the commitment on behalf of everyone in this chamber and in the other body is that if for some bizarre reason that I can’t..

Representative: …fathom at this time the red route would come back as the only route. We would nto build it based on feasibility and based on actions that we would take in this eneral assembly to prevent that. I will be happy to answer any question and would appreciate your support. Spekaer: Representative Terry, please state your purpose. Representative Jackson, please state your purpose. Representative: To speak on the bill. Mr. Speaker, I will be quick. I reentering my position form yesterday of voting red on red. I did want to point out a couple of things to you because there has been a lot of talk about this environment study, and how it is going to turn out and if it turns out to be red, then we are not going to fund it. We already know that the army core of engineers have looked at the orange core route and they have already made a preliminary determination that the red route would be less damaging to the environment. The orange route goes through some sensitive wetlands and comes across a dwarf wedge muscle. So, I think it is already clear. If we study the orange and red route, which one the federal government and the environmental protection and core of engineers are going to come back and tell us – they are going to tell us that we have to build a red route, and that will be a waste of $15 million and a waste of four years for the town of Garner. I ask that you vote against it. Speaker: Representative Bill Riley, please state your purpose. Representative: To debate the bill. Speaker: The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. Representative: Thank you Mr. Speaker. With all do respect to my colleague from Wade county, he has misstated the way the endangered species act would work. You do have to come up with whatever the impacts would be, but that is not the determining factor of the road, it has to be adequately documented. As you are aware, several projects in McClemburg County have been delayed by lawsuits. The lawsuits did nto say that the damage would prevent the road. In fact the attorneys, with the southern environmental law center, have said that regardless of the damage, they cannot stop the project. What they can require is full disclosure of the risk so that the people can make an informed decision. If it comes back that it is less environmentally damaging to build the red route rather than the orange route, that does not mean that we have to build the red route. It simply means we have to disclose the potential for environmental damage with the orange route. I believe it was stated earlier that the actual cost of the study was $1 million, not $15. This is a good bill. I still support, and would ask you to do so also. Speaker: Further discussion or debate? Hearing none, the question before the house is the passage of house bill 10 on its third reading. All in favor will vote aye, all opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote: 87 having voted in the affirmative, 39 in the negative. House bill 10 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the senate. House bill 24, the clerk will read. Clerk: House bill 24, a bill entitled an act to provide for the district attorney to be notified if a person on supervised or unsupervised probation is discharged from a domestic violence abuse treatment program to comply program, or its rules, and to make other changes to the reporting of domestic violence. NC general assembly enacts. Speaker: Representative Moore, please state your purpose. Representative: To debate the bill. Speaker: The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. Representative: Thank you Mr. Speaker, members of the house. House bill 24 received a very good vote yesterday. We explained it had to do with improving the notification requirements when an offender fails to complete the domestic violence treatment as court ordered. I have reviewed an amendemnt proposed by Senator Vaskerville. I think the amendment is fine. I would encourage members to vote for the amendment and bill. Thank you. Speaker: Representative Vaskerville, please state your purpose. Representative: To send forth an amendment. Speaker: The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. Clerk: Representative Vaskerville moves to amend the bill on page 1, line 27, by rewriting the line to read Speaker: The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. Representative: Thank you Mr. Speaker. The amendment is fairly simple. It just puts a little teeth in the bill. It requires the probation officer not only to notify the district attorney, but to file a violation report with the court. That way, it insures that the judge is going to know that the person has not completed the treatment as supposed to. Then the judge can decide what the appropriate course of action is. I ask that you all support the amendment. Speaker: Further discussion or debate? If not, the question before the house is the amendment sent forth by Senator Vaskerville fro the house committee substitute for house bill 24. All in favor will vote aye, all opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote.

The Clerk will let the machine record the vote. 116 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative the amendment passes. We’re now back on the bill. Further discussion, further debate. Representative Pittman, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman wish to direct his question to a member? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To Representative… [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, does the gentleman yield? The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, I’m sorry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I’ll yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir. I’d just like to ask, I don’t see it in the bill, would the person’s victims also be notified normally? Was that something we might need to add to this or would that be a concern at all? Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] It wouldn’t be a necessary provision of this bill. The victim is only brought in if necessary to testify or if there’s something concerning the victim. An example of where you would see it, for example, a criminal victim being notified of a violation might be if say the defendant was ordered to pay restitution and that was relieved sometimes the victim is supposed to be notified in that kind of case. This is a compliance issue for the classes so they wouldn’t necessarily have to notify the victim. They could if they wanted to but this is just part of the judgment side. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute for House Bill 24 as amended on its third reading. All those in favor will vote, “Aye.” All opposed vote, “No.” The Clerk will open the vote. The Clerk will let the machine record the vote. 116 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, the House Committee substitute for House Bill 24 as amended has passed its third reading. It will be engrossed and sent to the Senate. Senate Bill 4, the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Committee substitute for Senate Bill 4, a bill that’s been entitled, “An Act to Declare the State’s Intent Not to Operate State-Run or Partnership Health Benefit Exchange and to provide that Future Medicaid Eligibility Determinations will be made by the State rather than the Federally Facilitated Exchange and to Reject the Affordable Care Act’s Optional Medicaid Expansion.” General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen of the House, as announced by the Chair yesterday, the Chair intends to allow 30 minutes of debate on this matter. 20 minutes will be provided to the Democratic Caucus, 10 to the Republican Caucus. The Clerk will keep count and I will strictly enforce the time limits. We will either by consensus take a vote at about 2:02, or I will direct the Rules Chair to make a motion to call the question. Representative Pierce, please state your purpose. Representative Larry Hall please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen of the House as well as North Carolinians who are listening who need our help. We’ve had what seems to be a conservative attack on the unemployed, the uninsured, and now even the poor as we look at these bills on unemployment, Medicaid and earned income tax credit. So we really have to ask that question, “Are we letting politics get in the way of helping our citizens?” Are we letting politics keep us from expanding healthcare coverage to the 500,000 North Carolinians who would receive help were we not to enact this bill? Are we letting politics get in the way of providing 25,000 jobs to our citizens? Expanding Medicaid could result in those 25,000 jobs. Yesterday I took the time to read off to you those different areas that those jobs would be created in. But maybe the most important thing is that those jobs would be created in your communities. Those jobs and training that come from them would be in your communities. We know that without this added support rural hospitals across the state will be put in jeopardy. We know this as we vote on this bill. Again, I remind you, those hospitals are in your communities. This is the first legislature we’ve had in the history of North Carolina where the majority of the members are from metropolitan areas versus…

[SPEAKER] Rural areas. And if we looked at what we've done it seems that the rural poor now are being left out of our considerations. And again, I ask you are we letting politics get in the way of expanding this health care coverage for these North Carolinians who desperately need it? Why would we deny this added support for these hospitals in these rural areas? Why would we knowingly do that? Why would we let politics keep us from doing the right thing by our citizens in our districts? It’s important to think about the consequences of these actions in Raleigh. And as I said, we don’t want to make decisions to hurt people in our communities. But for some reason, I’m saying it’s politics maybe there’s some other reason, we are doing it as a body. You as the majority are doing it by choice. It is your choice. You have the power. You have the numbers, overwhelming numbers as some of you would say, and you have the right to make the decision. But what you do here in Raleigh does matter to the citizens in your district. As a result of what we’re doing, North Carolina will lose more than a billion dollars a year in uncompensated care to these individuals who are in your communities. These hospitals which would be forced in many instances to shut down as you heard are in your communities. As I said before, luckily I’m in a community that has several hospitals. Those members from metropolitan areas, several options. That’s where all the doctors and medical professionals will be going. In your communities many of you will lose your hospital and lose your access to medical care for your hardworking tax paying citizens. And these cards will be transferred to those hard working tax paying citizens in your districts. So again, I ask are you letting politics get in the way of making the right decision to provide this care for 500,000 North Carolinians and to provide these jobs that will help them and help our state? Is this politics or is this good public policy? These higher premiums that will result from this failure will go on the backs and go on the policies of those tax payers in your communities who can least afford it. But because we deny this, it will cost those hard working tax payers in your communities more. And they have to have that health care coverage. Is this politics or is this good public policy? North Carolina will cover many more citizens than spend all their per capita than usual by expanding Medicaid. Without this bill if we insured those additional 500,000 North Carolinians under this Medicare provision and we created those jobs, those 25,000 jobs in your district and in mind, North Carolina would be providing more coverage and better coverage and delivering better service. You know, the Medicaid System in North Carolina has been studied and evaluated nationally. And it is one of the best delivery systems in the nation. There’s been a lot of talk about a recent audit that said there was some inefficiencies in Medicaid administration. And today in the meeting the HHS director said that all of the issues mentioned in that report, the HHS Director who was recently hired and looked at that report said, that those discrepancies would be completed and cleared up by June 30th of this year. Once again, all those who would parade any discrepancies as a reason not to do this, the newly hired Director said that systems inequities or inefficiencies would be completed and corrected by June 30th. Again, is this politics or is this good policy for the citizens in your district? Finally, if you’ll look on your desk, you’ll see a handout for Representative Insko. It’s titled “North Carolina County Level Estimates of Non-elderly Uninsured.” And I direct your attention to the middle column, adults 19 to 64 as an indicator of folks who will not be able to access health care in your counties. And you can look down and see your county listed. And you’ll see the percentages of people in your counties who you are denying the opportunity to get this health care coverage. So again, I ask you is it politics? Is it good policy? Are you really telling us that the people at home in your districts have said they don’t want to have good healthcare. They don’t want to have access.

They dont wanna have jobs. I really wonder. Job after job lost in North Carolina due to the recent recession. No jobs bill, we haven't created one yet. And this is the opportunity. Expanded health care coverage for the citizens we claim to represent and we take the oath to the flag and we try to do a liberty and justice for all. When it comes times to say justice for all means have some degree of healthcare. We decide well we don't really mean justice for all if it means health care and an opportunity and employment. We just mean justice for all if we're in Rally and we're making a decision. Again i ask you is it policy or is this politics? Politics is hurting the tax payers of North Carolina. I'd ask you to reconsider your vote, again the questions of inefficiencies has been taken away by June 1st it should be in play. And finally this idea of giving up our authority to Washington instead of having our state insurance commissioners continue to monitor and help folks who do have policies and do have complaints. If we do not empower him or confirm the authority he has now, we will lose that opportunity after March 1st. You cant go back and un-ring that bell. Those folks who favor local control who believe local Carolinians should be able to call their insurance commissioners and get help with problems on coverage and their policies should want to amend this bill and allow our insurance commissioners to continue to do that. The idea of a North Carolinian having a problem with their policy and now having to call 1 800 Washington for help seems to go against everything you've argued for. And so again I'd ask, is this good policy or is this politics getting in the way of helping the tax payer citizens of North Carolina. I'd ask that you vote against this bill, that you come back with something that addresses these issues as I know you can and I know you have the authority to do.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen of the house, Representative Halls debate consumed 9 minutes of the 20 minutes allotment. Representative Cunningham please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] mr speaker i rise to speak to the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] the lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] thank you. today i come to you feeled with compassion. I have served in my community as a healthcare professional for 33 years. Currently my specialty area is in hospice and paraletive care. I have held dying toddlers in my arms. Struggling to breath in the Halofax county, one of the poorest county in the state of North Carolina. While waiting for air transport to Nash Regional Hospital. I have held the hands of dying people. And wiped the tears from loved ones eyes, because the diagnosis came too late. And while doing all of this it never crossed my mind, whether they are a republican or a democrat. In my heart i am committed to provide the best care to anyone, no matter where they come from or what their walk of life may be. This is the charge on my heart. Even though you may not be my friend or you may disagree with my views on this bill. If you needed my help in this chamber today. I will not hesitate to assist you. Today I am my own conscience. I must speak to those individual voices that are not here to be heard in this chamber. I appeal to you to reconsider the estimated 2840 people that will die this year according to the new england medical journal in the state of north carolina. Due to the lack of health care coverage. And 2000 and 14000 uninsured children in this state. I close by saying to all of you I am committed to paying down the debt but in this moment I am committed to assisting people in our great state to live healthier lives, suffer less...

pain and the choice of dying with dignity. Thank you. Please reconsider your decision on this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Pierce, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] There was a time, Mr. Speaker, in this chamber, that I was offended by the term Obamacare, but then I realized that that was a good term because Obama cares. Medicaid was designed as a safety net to take care of those who struggle in poverty. As we have weathered the recessions over the past few years, more and more working families have found themselves living in poverty. Twenty-five percent of the state's children live in poverty. Almost ten percent of the senior citizens in the great state of North Carolina live in poverty. And forty-four percent of the state's single mothers live in poverty. Expanding Medicaid would help those individuals to receive quality affordable health care. It is important to note the decision to reject Medicaid expansion disproportionately affects minority communities, Afro-Americans, American Indians, and Latinos, all who are far more likely to live in poverty. As a result, many of them do not have healthcare. They do not receive quality care and treatment, impacting the quality of life and life expectancy. This is an opportunity to expand coverage for five hundred thousand in the great state of North Carolina. The impact will also be felt in rural communities which I represent, Scotland, Hoke, and Robeson, and other rural areas. Many of them are dealing with poverty rates of twenty percent or higher. By expanding Medicaid, we have the opportunity to lift up rural North Carolina, support minority communities, both which would lead to a stronger state and a stronger economy. I would urge my colleagues to vote no. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen of the house, at this time, the minority caucus has consumed twelve and a half minutes of their twenty minute allotment. Representative Blust, state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker and members of the house. This really isn't that easy of a decision. Once again, this body's been cast in a difficult situation because of just the makeup of the healthcare law and the makeup of our politics today. You're left, again, are you going to drink cyanide, or are you going to drink arsenic? Either you have to take this money and take the very big risk that everything isn't going to be paid for in the future, or you can turn the money down and hear some of the stories that you've shared with us on that end. But I think you're discounting on your side, those opposing this bill are discounting the incredible threat of our debt situation in this country. Representative Collins explained yesterday, this isn't a matter of us sending our dollars to Washington, and then we're not going to get what we've sent into Washington back. There are no dollars in Washington. One hundred percent of the money to fund this additional coverage is going to be borrowed. And I want someone to come over afterward. I won't take the time. But explain to me how this is working because I've tried to search for it, how this works. You've got the federal Treasury borrowing a trillion dollars a year, but they're not selling the bonds on the market. Most of them, ninety percent in the last year, have been bought by our own Federal Reserve. How does that work? How long can that work? Where does the Federal Reserve get those dollars? It creates those dollars. How long is this going to be able to last? Someone come, get a professor, and come explain this to me. And what's going to happen to those rural communities? What's going to happen to those people you purport to care for when this federal debt bubble bursts and all sorts of bad things happen? So, I don't know. There may be some jobs out of. I would point out that, in 2009, we got 2.5 extra billion to unemployment insurance that we borrowed came into this state, and I didn't see an economic boom. So, I discount somewhat the projections of the jobs. I don't know where the doctors are going to come from. I've handed out an article. California, elsewhere, you're going to lose a lot of, there are people saying, "I can't deal with this complex system any more. I'm getting out. And you can't create new doctors overnight. But I just say I think our dilemma is somewhat described by the old poem that starts out, "'Will you walk into my parlor?' said the spider to the fly. 'It's the prettiest little parlor that you ever did spy.'" And the Federal government's saying, "Hey."

…here expand your Medicaid. We’ll pay for it. It’s free money and you think you’re going to go into it and it’s not going to change. Let me just read from another article I handed out. Last summer a bipartisan state budget crisis task force shared by former New York Lieutenant Governor Richard Ravitch and former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker warned the states not to go along with the Obamacare Medicaid expansion. Every deficit reduction plan being discussed in Washington DC includes abandoning that nine to one match soon, the task force warned. States that expand Medicaid to comply with the Obama healthcare law will be plunged into a fiscal disaster. So we have to take that into account whether we can actually go forward with this and it’s a sober reflection to say we’re not. I believe that we should wisely consider this and vote the way we did yesterday and pass this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman of the house, Representative Blust’s comments consumed four minutes of the ten minute allotment. Representative Earle please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Lady’s recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker and members. I’ll be very brief so as not to take up too much of your time. I want to go over a few things I said yesterday. First of all the unemployment bill and not expanding Medicaid drastically impact our economy and our most vulnerable citizens. As I said yesterday, we need to consider the economic impact that this is going to have. In two weeks you have put folk on the street, you have taken away their safety net and you denied low income people healthcare. You do not want to even take the three years for that we get the service for free. Now I use that word because it is free and it’s better to have healthcare for three years than not to have it at all. It’s free because it’s our tax dollars and somebody else is going to use them if we don’t use them. We sided and we heard all kinds of reasons why we shouldn’t and if you don’t want to accept the federal dollars for this just like Representative Lucas said, why don’t we send back the federal money that we get for education or for roads or for the many other reasons that we get federal money? Then we should send that back also. I just want to say too that there are some republican governors that have a different attitude about this and right here I’ve got comments from three republican governors from North Dakota, from Michigan and from Ohio. The governor from Ohio has said that taking the money will help the vulnerable citizens in that state. It will free up funds for mental health, other critical issues also it would prevent increases in the healthcare premiums and it will help the local hospitals. Let me quote something that he said that additionally, “It avoids leaving Ohioans federal tax dollars on the table and keeps the federal government from simply giving them away to other states.” Good point. Ohio will roll back this extension if the federal government changes the rules. We have that same option if it doesn’t work and as I said I know people that would love to have health coverage for a year, for a month to be able to go to a doctor and I ask you to please reconsider and send this back and we can work on it and come up with something better for your constituents and mine. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen of the house, the minority caucus has five minutes remaining on the 20 minute allotment. Representative Burr please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Again as I said yesterday when you’re house is in shambles you don’t build onto it. You fix the existing structure and it’s very clear from the recent audit that we need…

To fix the existing structure in North Carolina in terms of Medicaid. If we're worried about that population we need to make sure that they have the best opportunity to have good healthy outcomes as possible, and that needs to first be done through fixing out current program. Which by the way I believe this morning in the appropriation subcommittee on health and human services, that the auditor even stated that the federal government had contacted her about her audit. Folks that's not a good thing. That's very concerning. That shows there must be something even more to this than what the audit sheds the light on. So we need to certainly make sure we're working to repair our existing structure. This whole idea that we can create jobs through this, to me that is hogwash. That is just pure BS in my mind. I mean this is the same thing as stimulus. This is what we're - it's irresponsible. You don't create jobs through borrowing money from the federal government. It doesn't work. It is irresponsible. And it is a horrible argument to use for expanding Medicaid. We create jobs in this state and what we're trying to do is do that by pulling the government back and allowing the public sector to flourish. That's how you create jobs, not through taking borrowed money and spending it temporarily and hoping it doesn't something. It didn't work for the stimulus. Yesterday we heard again that argument about free money and that's exactly whats been wrong in this country for years, we're... [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We've taken free money. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hall please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I just ask if the representative will yield to a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] No sir, we're time limited right now, I do not yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman does not yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker could I yield some of my time to the representative to answer the question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] At that time the gentleman will be recognized. The gentleman may continue. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Again yesterday we heard the argument and I'm gonna try to be brief because I know representative Dollar wants to speak, representative Blust, so we want to make sure we leave some time for him. But that's whats wrong with our country. We continue to think the federal government can dangle money in front of our faces and we need to grab it and take it and it creates problems and burdens for future legislatures and tax payers for years and years to come. There's simply too much uncertainty. And the fact that there's this argument that the state will have control over this and we're giving up control, that is nothing more than an illusion. The federal government created this beast and they should manage what they've created and it is not the responsibility of our state tax payers to do that. And I would ask that members oppose or support this legislation and certainly stand up and vote not to expand Medicaid, not to accept or to run a state based partnership. And I would ask you to vote yes on senate bill four. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hall the gentleman will be recognized and the questions that you may ask should representative Burr or any other member choose to yield will be counted against the remaining five minute allocation. The gentleman is recognized, does the gentleman wish to direct his question towards representative Burr? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well Mr. Speaker and I being recognized in order now to speak or... [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is being recognized either to speak on the bill or to direct his question which was the prior request. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, I'll speak on the bill and then I have a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, Mr. Speaker, and I appreciate again the comments that were made, but again they don't address the fact that we can do better and should do better. The whole idea that by sending this money or sending these tax payer dollars back to Washington or allowing them to stay in Washington and we're somehow going to help the federal government, if it were going broke this small amount of money would last about 40 minutes. So we're saying we're giving up 500, 000 jobs, excuse me, health care for 500,000 citizens who are tax payers as well who have to pay the extra burden. We're giving up 25,000 jobs and we're saying, well, we're great Americans because we're going to send this money back to Washington which will not stay there, will be redistributed to other states. but we're gonna say that we're great Americans. I don't know if that's gonna help folks who need health care in your communities. I don't know that that's gonna create jobs in your communities. To use that excuse, to say I didn't vote your interests, I said send your tax payer dollars to other states. So it's not free money, it's hard earned money that North Carolina...

[Speaker Changes] Tax payers pay. So yeah, it’s nothing free about it. Nothing free about it. And Mr. Speaker, at this time I have a motion. [Speaker Changes] The gentleman may state his motion. [Speaker Changes] I move that the House Bill 4B be re-referred to the Health and Human Services Committee. [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker [Speaker Changes] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] For a motion of higher precedence. [Speaker Changes] The gentleman may state his motion. [Speaker Changes] I move that the gentleman’s motion bely upon the table. [Speaker Changes] Second. [Speaker Changes] The motion to lie Representative Hall’s motion on the table has been duly seconded. Ladies and gentlemen of the the House, the question before the House is the motion by Representative Moore to lay on the table the motion sent forth by Representative Hall. All those in favor will vote aye, all those opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. The Clerk will opt, machine record the vote. 75 having voted in the affirmative, and 40 in the negative. The motion passes. And members, particularly for the freshmen members here, the motion to lie on the table is not a debatable motion, which is why I did not call for debate before I put the question. Representative Dollar, please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] To speak on the motion. [Speaker Changes] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [Speaker Changes] Member of the House, let me try to very quickly explain a couple of things to you. First of all, with respect to the exchanges, no matter what type of exchange we set up, North Carolina is going to control the most important part, and that is eligibility, and we will control that through NC fast. Now, if we want to make a different decision down the road and have a state exchange, we have time to do that. We can see how this develops. We can see how other states, what’s approved, what’s not approved. We can come back and revisit this issue in the future. There’s no reason for us to act this year. In terms of looking at the expansion again, as Representative Burr has said, there are so many questions that I have heard no one on this floor answer. And I’ve heard no one answer in committee up to this point that we simply have to have answers to before we move forward. In terms of consolidation of hospitals, the consolidation of hospitals has been accelerated since the passage of Obamacare. It has nothing to do with what we may or may not do today on this floor. And so the concern about that is been driven more by the underlying federal bill, not by any actions that we’re taking here in the state of North Carolina. And I want to point out, folks have been taking about who’s eligible and who’s been effected. Let me point out something, that apparently most people don’t know about the current program. If you are a child, birth to five years old, you are covered at 200% of poverty now. Right now. If you a child 6-18, through medicaid, and the North Carolina health choice program, we cover you to 200%. Today. Right now. If you are a pregnant woman, 180% of poverty, today, right now. If you are in an adult care facility, long term care, you’re at 150% of poverty. All of these are well above the 138% margin. If you are a breast cancer victim, you get up to 200% of federal poverty, 100% of the treatment. The folks that are not covered, frankly, are those adults without dependent children, who are not disabled, and who are not elderly. That’s who we’re talking about. And another thing that has been mentioned on this floor, nobody said you’ve been talking about federal money. What about the state money? You don’t know how much the department and the report that was done by the state under the last administration came up with an estimate of 830 million dollars net state appropriations. If we were to expand in the first six years, at a run-rate of 220 million dollars or more, I ask you one final question, and it is this: have you ever in your life seen a federal entitlement program that didn’t far exceed its rejected cost to the taxpayers? [Speaker Changes] Representative Dollar. You finished right at three minutes. That concludes the allotment of time for the majority caucus. There’s 1 1/2 minutes left for the minority caucus. Representative Earle, please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] To speak to the bill. [Speaker Changes] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [Speaker Changes] And I want to

I want to quickly address some of the statements that Representative Dollar just said. He is absolutely correct about the folk that are covered on Medicaid right now, but the bottom line is, what we’re talking about is the 5,000 – 500,000, I’m sorry – additional people that will be covered. Those are the ones - we’re also talking about the people that are going to be unemployed, and after 12-20 weeks will not have any income coming in. The single people that don’t fit in one of those categories, those are the people that we are talking about right now, and that’s a significant number when you look at the unemployment bill that we just did, and not expanding Medicaid. Those are the people that we are talking about right now. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] There’s 30 seconds left for the minority caucus – the majority caucus’ time has been allocated – further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of the house committee substitute to senate bill four on its third reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk ballot machine will record the vote. 75 having voted in the affirmative, and 42 in the negative, the house committee substitute for senate bill four has passed its third reading, and will be returned to the senate. The house be at ease. Ladies and gentlemen of the house, if you go to the second page of the calendar, we are going to try and dispose of some of these matters. They may or may not be displaced based on the length of debate. As you all know, there will be no votes on Monday night, or no votes on matters that would be carried on from the calendar – all those would be re-calendared for Tuesday. House bill 13, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 13 – the bill has been titled natural cross state agencies binding to the report to the department of administration the program evaluation division the use of real property and to require the department of public instruction to report annually on the amount of revenue generated through leasing space on residential school campuses as recommended by the surplus property subcommittee of the house select committee on state-owned assets. General assembly of North Carolina next. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, without objection, rule 12d is suspended. So ordered. Representative Howard is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last year, if you all remember, there was a state surplus committee, chaired by speaker Brubaker and the subcommittee was an extension of that particular subcommittee. This bill is relatively simple – or at least I thought it was. I understand there’s going to be some amendments, and I believe that the one amendment that I’ve seen from Representative Ross will improve the way the bill flows and simply, the language of the bill, but for those of you in this chamber, it is a little discouraging to know that we members of the North Carolina house do not have a complete list of the state-owned property in the state of North Carolina, and don’t be too discouraged because the Senate doesn’t have that list either – neither does the administration. So what we tried to do was start a process so there would be a complete list of all of the state-owned property in the state of North Carolina, and that includes all state agencies in the executive and the judicial branch will report biannually to the department of administration an analysis of the agencies use of real property – just real property. We’re not talking about any personal properties, but all real property

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It is best interested of the state because we are the guardians of state property and there may be things that the state needs to use that property work in the future on. thank you, Mister Speaker,and I commend the amendment to [SPEAKER CHANGES] the discussion from the divide on amendment resented by the discussion further debate on the amendment All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote watching recorded about one hundred and thirteen having gutted affirmative into a negative. the amendment passes were now back on the bill resented by the discussion further debate on the amendment that your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] is employed, placed that your purpose as these most questions becomes that of Howard 's lady of Mister Palladio 's absence, however, notice said." [SPEAKER CHANGES] with asking a lot in six public it will work on your regulatory sermon and to the judge of my fentany l that places like I can understand what you just say it and reading the deal yesterday that perhaps I overlooked it with asking a lot, but we're not getting a actual costs or actual rates of what that stuff. plus, what it really is that cooperative orbit outlook on message. if only you when you label it and go into an appraisal process on until much later. down down the highway while while we are trying to do with this meal is to get our arms around for the first time I completely asked all of the state and property on that's what this bill actually does is to ask each deviation to report to the Department of administration, all of the property that they have control of order use the speak whatever you answer it this evening. we do all of that. we all know all about you at expert at it to understand what is using the nineteenth on Knesset is listed next to get the latest on until we have. they collectively just in the end there is a net on either a purchased product flyer purchase price or on a test that your insurance valiant and we will have guys numbers. once we collectively campaign inventory expert. [SPEAKER CHANGES] the discussion further debate on the bill and not question White House is a passage of House Bill thirteen is amended on its second reading, always in favor by not all opposed the blog about All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote one hundred and fifteen having that affirmative and want to the negative outspoken in his amenities passed second reading of that objection objection having been noted, the bill will remain on the counter for Tuesday with represent a Pollock State Department Rob now is intending to go get it generally does a malfunction that will beregarded as having no yes system malfunction out of fifteen o'clock already, [SPEAKER CHANGES] please ask you for a house built their data building .net make various changes to the birds also state, as recommended by the joint legislative merchant you management oversight committee Johnson of North Carolina next version of their costly stager purpose, [SPEAKER CHANGES] but due to the donors recognize the right bill. I demonstrate your ladies and gentle men the house. this is a bill that came out of the joint legislative emergency management oversight committee that met this past fall. this is joint committee is assertive and it's a relatively simple bill it if you about because we found that in some cases. in some departments that there were vehicles that were having to respond to emergency

in the state such as hurricanes and other types of things that happen all across our state. And these vehicles had to respond in many cases in a hurry. Because it was an emergency it was endangering somebody. Or else it was a violator of some sort who was having to be perused by a law enforcement officer within one of those agencies. And his vehicle might not have been properly equipped with the lights and sirens and so forth that most law enforcement officers of the state all should have of coarse. So what this does it speaks to the division of parks and recreation or the department of environment and natural resources, that's the park rangers and those that have emergency authorities in the parks. And the north ?? forest service the department of agricultural and consumer services we all know of the problems the forest service can have in time of emergencies and what have you. What the first section of the bill simply authorizes the installation of lights and sirens only on those vehicles that are used for law enforcement purposes or for response to fires or emergencies. It also authorizes the use of the proper color light on the law enforcement or emergency vehicles. Either red or blue as the case may be. It authorizes vehicles to exceed the speed limit when they are responding to those emergencies. Of coarse it requires them to be very careful and follow all the laws of the road that would protect the public. It also requires motorists to yield the right of way to those vehicles just as they would fire and police in towns. It requires motorists to move to the side of the road and stop. All of these things that we know we associate with emergency vehicles it empowers these particular vehicles to do. Section two of the bill we found that in some emergencies particularly where there has been a lot of trees down or there's been other litter in the road and so forth there might very well be a time when inmates in the prison system could be used to assist and clean up road emergencies afterwards. So what the comity did was propose that the department of public safety study methods of allowing prisoners to contribute to clean up and mitigation efforts in connection with states of emergencies declared by the state. Department is required to report the join of legislative emergency management committee, management oversight committee, and the legislative oversight committee on justice in public safety no later than October 1st, 2013 with regard to the possible use of those prisoners. I'd be glad to answer any questions ask your favor vote for the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Will the gentleman yield for question [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Faircloth does the gentleman yield [SPEAKER CHANGES] I will [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is there a penalty for motorists who does not yield the right of way to one of these people responding in an emergency. [SPEAKER CHANGES] just as there would be for ordinary police vehicles, highway patrol vehicles, or fire trucks or anything else. The same penalties will apply [SPEAKER CHANGES] follow up [SPEAKER CHANGES] gentleman yields? gentleman yields [SPEAKER CHANGES] yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Help me understand this the only concern I have, we're giving authority to some departments to exceed the speed limit to respond to an emergency but its not clear to me that these vehicles have a red or blue flashing light and usually you're going down the road you look in the rear view mirror you see a red light or a blue light and you know to slow down or to pull over but if someone from parks and recreation is rushing off to some emergency and they don't have a light, I'm just wondering how do we know that they're from parks and recreation and are responding to an emergency. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes you hit exactly on the problem that we've found, they were rushing to these emergencies they didn't have the proper lights and the public could not tell that. so what we're saying in this bill is that if they're gonna rush to that emergency they've gotta be properly equipped with a proper equipment the lights and sirens and what have you and if its a law enforcement emergency they have to be a law enforcement officer within one of those departments. If it's a fire fighter or a forest ranger or something like that that's rushing to an emergency they have to have the lights and sirens so we know its an emergency vehicle. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative ?? please state your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] to ask the bill sponsor a question [SPEAKER CHANGES] representative Faircloth does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] i do [SPEAKER CHANGES] he yields [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Faircloth I had exactly the same question I'm just looking

We are, in the Bill, it insures that this, other vehicles are equipped, I always do that, that part of the bill.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. There is more on the statues, that covers the requirements, there be exactly the same requirements for this vehicles as there are other emergency vehicles. That we are accustomed to .  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Follow up.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. The gentleman yields.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Are this employees sworn officers, are there, with in there duties, are there specifics to responsibility to respond to emergencies. With appropriate training.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. If they are designated by the agency, as a sworn law enforcement officer, and certify as law enforcement officers, are required to be. Then they can have the blue light and syrene. Then they can perform the law enforcement function, if they were a firefighter, they would have to use the red light and syrene. Just as any other firefighter would have to, if they were a park ranger, if they were a law enforcement officer, they could have the blue lights. If they were just for responding to emergency in the park, then they might only have the red light. What ever, there duties require, is what would dictated, thank you.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Representative McNeill please state your purpose.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Speaks to the bill.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Having a background to, 35 years and Randolph County Sheriff's Department, and then we responded to a lot of emergencies. We owe it to these gentlemen, as they respond to this emergencies, to give them the best equipment they can. So they can safely respond to this emergencies. We expect, when we dial 911, that someone shows up quickly. We expect, when we have a hurricane and someone has to respond to help for them to show up quickly. We expect, when there's a fire, that the fire truck get to our quickly. We owe it to this brave ladies and gentleman, that give her lives in the middle of the day, in the dark of night, to respond to this emergencies, to help us. we owe it to them to give them the equipment and the authority to respond, respond and get there quickly. Which is what we want the best, served the citizens of the state, thank you, I recommend the bill.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Further discussion further debate. If not the question before the house is the passage of the house comity substitute, for its second reading. All in favor will vote aye. those oppose will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 116 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative. The house comity substitute for house bill 15 its passed its second reading, and with out objection will be read a third time .  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. general assembly of north Carolina enacts.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Further discussion further debate. If not the question before the house. is the passage of the house comity substitute for house bill 15 on its third reading. All in favor say aye, all oppose say no. The eyes have it.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. the house comity substitute for house bill 15 its pass its third reading, and will be sent to the senate. Representative Moore please state your purpose.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you Mr. speaker motion pertaining to todays calender.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. The gentleman is recognized for a motion.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Mr speaker, move that House bill 177 removing today's calendar and set on the counter for next Tuesday. What ever date that is 19 of February. And the 2nd manner concerned House bill 34. Move that that Bill be removed from the counter, an refer to the Committee on rules and explanation, that with consultation with the two bill sponsors. to address a couples technical.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. With out objection so order. house bill 133 the clerk will read.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Comity substitute for house bill 23. A bill entitle, an act directed the state board of education to develop and implement digital teaching and learning standards for teachers in school administrator. General assembly of North Carolina enacts.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Representative Warren please state your purpose.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. To debate the bill.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill.  [SPEAKER CHANGES]. This an enviable position to be, us and adjournment, after a long and difficult week. So briefly is there any one, rhetorical question, is there any one here that he actually thinks, that they really know more about how to operate their iPhone iPad or laptop. Then their 12 year old kid . We have a sytem that's upside down. the kids know more about

I'll let you read your subdued. you know more about the people, teaching the teachers, parents, the joint legislative committee on the digital environment, public education. this is the first of some several bills that will be coming before you, which is going to require that the teachers learn how to get ahead of the kids in using technology in our education system. this got a one hundred percent all in favor vote out of education effort. Gooden and I think interesting debate, so watch the questions I asked your support for the [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion further and not question before the House passage of the House committee substituted hospital, twenty three hundred second reading, always in favor, but I've always opposed out notebook will All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote one hundred and fourteen, having voted affirmative end to the negative that house may substitute for House Bill twenty eight three has passed its second reading in without objection. we rather, John Johnson of North Carolina and it further discussion further debate, if not the question before the house is the passage of the house may substitute House Bill twenty three of its R rating. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote the house may substitute for House Bill twenty three has passed its third reading will be sent to the Senate, Senator, for now you're the only thing between us and adjournment alto forty four, t [SPEAKER CHANGES] he court will rate belt forty four buildings on enacted stating the intent of the general Sydney to transition from funding textbooks defending digital smooth as recommended by the legislative research commission study committee on digital learning environments in public schools now have horns recognized the right announcement by God 's house is underwater. [SPEAKER CHANGES] thank you, Mister Speaker, this will go on percent support from the House education committee, and I got a complaint out of the shop of the church." I mean, it's just not right. Virgil once said the inquiry 's of the future are the empires of the line, and it is now under hospital forty four content of this General assembly and move into the empires of the future. thank you [SPEAKER CHANGES] for the further discussion thread about it, not a question of White House is the passage of House Bill forty four hundred second reading on favorable, All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote all members wishing to record places are now part watching recorded about one hundred and eleven, having that affirmative and want to the negative House Bill forty four is passed second reading without objection. we read a third time. some of the Carolina next further discussion. further to that, if not question for analysis passage of House Bill forty four hundred third rating. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote house built forty fourth best third reading will be sent to the Senate late governor house. this includes encounter today represented Graham police major purpose of the vote will be electrical in this lab will live you a gentleman will be recorded as having voted on House Bill forty four hundred sec reading very much, ladies and gentlemen house you have a say the same address will be held in-house on Monday it will begin at seven p.m., arsenic colleagues will be joining us along with the governor, the lieutenant governor, there will be no other items on the agenda, except for the state 's site. the calendar for next week at this time will be two o'clock on Tuesday two o'clock on Wednesday and one o'clock on Thursday. again, we will make efforts to see if we can move in earlier on Thursday, but Jennifer now use plan accordingly. ice gentlemen, now just by way of clarification, having been advised by the rules chair and

We will come into session at 6:30 purely for the purposes of getting through the administrative matters. We will recess briefly after that and then we will reconvene at 7 PM to welcome our Senate colleagues and the Governor. There is no need for any members, except for those who really have nothing else to do, to be here at 6:30. But we would encourage you to join us promptly at 7 PM or some time around 6:45. Notices and announcement. Representative Pittman, please state your purpose. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Point of personal privilege. [CHANGE SPEAKER] The gentleman is recognized for a point of personal privilege. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Thank you Mister Speaker. My father, Samuel Lane Pittman Jr, joined the Navy on March 1, 1942 and served in the Pacific and was a Petty Officer First Class directing fire of 16 inch guns on the battleship USS Alabama and then the battleship USS Washington, which is sister ship to the USS North Carolina. This past week I have carried his dress blue uniform and donated it to the North Carolina Museum of History and with a writeup about him and today took a picture that was taken of him in his uniform just before he was discharged in 1946. And I'm told that is going to be made part of the World War Two display at the museum. I was also told it would probably spend some time at the museum and some time at the USS North Carolina. I just wanted folks to be aware of that. You might some time in the near future get a chance to take a look at it. I'm very proud of my dad. He was head of the Management Assistance Office at Cherry Point Marine Corps Air Station when he died in 1970. I just wanted you to be aware of this. Thank you. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Representative Charles Graham, please state your purpose. Wrong Graham. Representative Graham, please state your purpose. You just want to make sure that vote got recorded? Representative Ross, please state your purpose. [CHANGE SPEAKER] For an announcement, Mister Speaker. [CHANGE SPEAKER] The lady is recognized for an announcement. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Ladies and gentlemen, this is a really nice thing. I just got an email from our new director of the Museum of Natural Sciences and wanted to let you know that the North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences is among 33 finalists for the National Medal for Museum and Library Service, which is the highest honor for institutions that make significant, exceptional contributions to their communities. The finalists are among 16 libraries and 17 museums and they were selected from over 17,000 museums of all types from across the country. So I hope we win and if you have any friends on the selection committee, please put in a good word for our good museum. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Representative Jones, please state your purpose. [CHANGE SPEAKER] For an announcement [CHANGE SPEAKER] The gentleman is recognized for an announcement. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Thank you Mister Speaker. I'd just like to remind the members that the Capital Commission Bible Study will be Monday at 5:00 in room 1425 just as in it's usual time and place. And I'd also like to remind our members just to make sure that everybody remembers today is Valentine's Day. Our families sacrifice a lot for us to be here. I hope you have a wonderful evening with your family and remember Valentine's Day. Thank you. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Representative McGrady, please state your purpose. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Point of personal privilege [CHANGE SPEAKER] The gentleman is recognized for a point of personal privilege. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Mister Speaker, I've had my same seat mate these two terms and on this special day I didn't get to speak actually the last two years. In the first year being a freshman I was a little bit slow on the uptake and another one of my colleagues actually, Representative Torbett jumped right in front of me. And in the second year we actually happened to be in session at the time but my memory was that the Speaker didn't want to hear from anybody at the end of that session. So I'm proud to stand up today on this special day for Representative Faircloth. I would tell you, I've sat with John now for beginning three years and I've never heard a disparaging word about anything. He is not a man that uses adjectives and adverbs lightly and certainly never says, if he doesn't have something good to say about something, he doesn't say it. A good example of his character, he doesn't speak on the floor a lot unless he's got a bill. But some of you may remember during the debate over the Cherokee gambling bill we were both sitting here and I leaned over and I said, where are you on this, and

He said I really don't know and I lean back and about a minute and half later, he hits his button, and I figured he decided where he is and in turn he got called on by the Speaker and he stood up and if you might remember he told us all the good reasons why we shouldn't vote for this bill and then he told us all the reasons why we should for the bill and he sat down. I leaned over to John and said Where are you on this bill and he said I am not sure but I make arguments of both sides of it. Mr. Speaker I don't know how it came to be that John Faircloth became our seat mate whether you or somebody else made the choice but I really thank you, he is a really great member of this assembly and now I hope you will join me in wishing him a Happy Birthday. His birthday is this weekend. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hanes, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I just also found out that my freshman seatmate representative ?? birthday is this weekend if you all could wish him a Happy Birthday I would certainly appreciate it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The republican will caucus on Monday at 5:30 in the ??. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further notices and announcements. Representative Larry Hall, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Democrats will not caucus on Monday afternoon and we'll see you at session [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further notices and announcements. Representative Moore is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker I move that the house is now adjourned to reconvene on Monday February the 18th at 6:30 PM. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore moves seconded by Representative Burr that the house is now adjourned to reconvene on Monday February the 18th at 6:30 PM. All in favor say Aye. All opposed say No. The Ayes have it. The house stands adjourned.