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House | February 6, 2013 | Chamber | Session

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Ladies and gentlemen of the House before I bring the House to order if I could get your attention. I know there are many members here who have seen or reconnected to past members from their parts of the state. Before we get started, while they can still be on the floor as their exiting on behalf of all the current members the chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the floor and the courtesies of the gallery to all the fine men and women who have served before us. Thank you and welcome back. The House will come to order. Members please take your seats. Visitors please retire from the chamber. The Sergeant at arms will close the doors and visiting House members I’m sure you’re aware you’re welcome to join us on the floor if you so choose. The prayer will be offered by Representative John Hardister. Members and visitors in the gallery please stand. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mister Speaker. Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen I hope you’ll join me in prayer. Lord we pray for your guidance as we conduct our business in this chamber. We pray that you provide us with wisdom as we make our decisions. We pray that we can work together despite our differences to move our state in the right direction. In Jesus’ name we pray. Amen. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister Speaker the journal for Tuesday, February 5, 2013 has been examined and found to be correct. I move its approval is read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore moves that the journal for February 5th be approved as written. All those in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The journal is approved as written. Petitions, memorials or papers addressed to the General Assembly of the House. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House the chair would like to extend a welcome and a thank you to the nurse of the day. The nurse of the day is from ??. The gentleman’s name is Stephen ??. Welcome. Upon motion of Representative Susan Martin from Wilson County the chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to Mayor Stephen Tripp of Ayden and Ayden town manager Adam Mitchell. Please stand and let us welcome you. Reports of standing committees and permanent committees. Representative Jordan and McGrady are recognized and sent forth committee report. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Judiciary subcommittee B Representative Jordan and Representative McGrady report to the floor the approval of the standing committee chair Representative Daughtry, House bill 8 eminent domain in favorable as to the committee substitute unfavorable as to the original bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute calendar original bill unfavorable calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 19 with approval standing committee chair Representative Daughtry respect our fallen heroes favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar. Introduction of bills and resolutions. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones, Holloway, Conrad and Hardister House Bill 67. Permanent License plates for

for charter schools. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Transportation in favorable finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Torbitt, House bill 68. Establish ombudsman, foster care, Gaston county. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Government. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Torbitt, House bill 69, opportunity advancement zones. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Commerce and job development, and favorable finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Brandon, House bill 70, North Carolina health plan. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Insurance, and favorable Health and Human Services, and favorable finance, and favorable appropriations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Baskerville, House bill 71, restore certain hold harmless sales tax funds. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Government and favorable finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Baskerville, House bill 72, Creedmore magistrate funds. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Government, and favorable appropriations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen of the House, we're about to move to the calendar and the chair would appreciate without objection that we move ahead to the calendar to the second of the only 2 matters that we will take up today, that is the House joint resolution so that we can get it over to the Senate. Is there objection? Without objection, House Joint Resolution 64, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House joint resolution 64, a joint resolution honoring the 50th anniversary of the State Legislative buildings, the House resolves, the Senate concurring. Rep. Ross, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The House will come to order, the lady has the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask that the resolution be read in its entirety before I speak please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Whereas the State Legislative building was completed in January 1963, making 2013 the 50th anniversary of the building's opening. And whereas by the late 1950s facilities in the state capitol, which had been used for sessions of the general assembly since 1840 were increasingly becoming insufficient to accommodate the members of the general assembly and their staff. And whereas the 1959 the general appropriated funds for a new building to accommodate the legislature and enacted legislation establishing the state legislative building commission, and whereas the commission consisted of the following members: Archie K. Davis and Robert F. Morgan, Vice Chair, who were appointed by Lt. Governor Luther Barnhard, President of the Senate. Bird-eye Satterfield and Thomas J. White, Chair, who were appointed by Addison Hewlett, Speaker of the House of Representatives, and A. E. Finley and Edwin Gill and Orville Row who were appointed by Governor Luther Hodges. And whereas among its many duties, the commission was charged with acquiring a site suitable for a state legislative building, employing architects to prepare the plans for the building, entering into contracts to purchase real property, materials, and furnishings related to the building, and providing general supervision of construction of the new building. And whereas the commission selected architect Edward Durell Stone of New York, and associate architects John S. Holloway and Ralph B. Reeds, Jr. of Raleigh to design the new building, and whereas Edward Durell Stone, an Arkansas native is widely considered to have been one of the foremost, the most prominent 20th century American architects, having designed numerous college, museum, and corporate buildings across the United States. And whereas Edward Durell Stone was an internationally recognized advocate for modern design, having designed prominent public buildings in Canada, Mexico, Panama, India Pakistan, Lebanon, Croatia, and Belgium. And whereas in 1961, the general assembly provided additional funding to furnish and equip the building, bringing the total appropriation for the new building to $5.5 million. And whereas the state legislative building rises from a broad, 340-foot wide podium of North Carolina granite, with a marble face building proper encompassed by colonnade of square columns reaching from the podium to the main roof of the second floor. And whereas the main entrance to the state legislative building has a 28-foot diameter terrazzo mosaic of the great seal of the state of North Carolina, and whereas the state legislative building houses the chambers of the Senate and the House of Representatives, members offices, principal clerk's offices, committee rooms, and state

for other essential functions of the General Assembly. And whereas North Carolina was the first state to construct a building to house the legislature, and whereas the General Assembly convened its first session in the State Legislative building on February 6th, 1963. And whereas the State Legislative building is today considered to be one of Edward Durell Stone's most important works, along with such notable buildings as the Kennedy Center, the National Geographic building in Washington, D.C., and the Museum of Modern Art and the General Motors building in New York City. And whereas the state legislative building has been an important institution for the general assembly and for the citizens of this state for 50 years, no therefore be it resolved by the House of Representatives, the Senate concurring. Section 1, the General Assembly honors the memory of the late Edward Durell Stone as well as many others who helped to conceive, design, construct, and build the state legislature building. Section 2, the state General Assembly expresses appreciation to the 1959 General Assembly for the actions it took to ensure the General Assembly had the appropriate funds and resources to build the State Legislative building which as been a significant symbol of state government for the past 50 years. Section 3, this resolution is effective upon ratification. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Ross is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen. First there are a few people to thank, for this resolution and the research that was done to put it together. The first person I need to thank is Rep. Grier Martin who served in this body and reminded me last fall that we needed to do this resolution and put me in touch with some people who could help. The second person is our clerk Denise Weeks, who did some research of her own and put that into the resolution, and the third person is a man named Myrick Howard who runs Preservation North Carolina, which is a statewide organization dedicated to the preservation of historic buildings and he dug up a lot of good information for our wonderful bill drafter, Mirah Toraine. So don't think that I did all the work on this resolution, lots of credit to share. This is a special day for the legislature, and it's a special day for all of us because so many of our colleagues have come back to join us today. It's also special because we're celebrating the investment that this legislature has made in infrastructure and important public buildings and architecture in the state of North Carolina, this building being one of those examples. And of course, the State Capitol Building being one of the first examples. Recently the General Assembly has made investments in other kinds of quality nationwide and worldwide acclaimed architecture, one of those things is the North Carolina Museum of Art on Blue Ridge Road, and if you haven't been there to visit, our new Secretary of Administration and Rep. Weiss and I co-sponsored the funding for that building. Another is right across Jones Street. If you go and look at the new addition to the Museum of Natural Sciences. It has been acclaimed worldwide, and we've had so many international visitors we can't even count how many countries they've come from. So when we make these investments, we need to be proud of them and they stand the test of time. We also need to celebrate the creativity of our architects. And North Carolina's produced several of them, even though Mr. Stone was not necessarily one of them. But we had North Carolina architects involved. And if you drive up Wilmington Street, you can see the building for the North Carolina Association of Architects that was put there because the legislature saw in its wisdom that that land could be used for private organization to build on public property. The same with the State Bar building, which is actually a state organization but it's building a new structure very near the Legislature. On a personal level, I want you to know that I've gotten to visit 3 of the buildings that Mr. Stone designed, I've been to the Kennedy Center, I've been to the Museum of Modern Art, and I've been to the US Embassy in India, which interestingly really really reminds you of this legislative building so I recommend it if you go to India that you go to see it. This is a wonderful day to honor our history and to honor our colleagues, and it is so special to have some of our former members with us today. I commend the resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. West, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak to the resolution, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the resolution.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, members of the House, and former members. My first memories of this building occurred in the summer of 1963 when we were visiting down here on the ?? day trip. I had the good fortune of coming on the floor to see the members before the session. My father sat back there in seat 106. His seat mate was former Governor Jim Holshouser. So that was a great day for me as a young man to come down here and see the makings of the state government, and I've always had a fascination by it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I commend the resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Pittman, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak to the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe I'm telling my age a little bit to some of the younger members in here, but when I was in the fifth grade, ten years old, we came on a class trip up here to Raleigh, visited the museums and the capital. We came over here, and this building was not quite a year old at that time. I remember being very impressed with this place. Good thing the teacher was leading us; I would have gotten lost in here otherwise. But I remember that red carpet on that staircase fascinated me, and I wanted to get on that thing so bad. And they wouldn't let me get on that red carpet. Never entered my mind back then that someday I'd be a member of this body, and maybe some of you brothers still hadn't entered my mind. But I never thought that I'd ever be a member here. I want to tell you, even though we may disagree from time to time on some political issues, I assume that the reason that the rest of you are here is the same reason I'm here: because we love the citizens of this state and want to do the best we can for them. And so, it's and honor and a privilege just to be here, and I thank each one of you for your dedication and for what this building stands for, service to the people. And I'm just thrilled to death to be here and celebrate it. They did finally let us get on the carpet when we came to start this session, so I guess my childhood wish was finally fulfilled. I'm just thrilled that you love my home state, your home state, as I do, and thank you so much for your service. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Pitman, 50 years of effort paid off for you. Representative Carney, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak to the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker and members of the House and our guest members that are with us. It's odd that I'm going to stand up and proceed to follow my colleague Representative West, whom I thought I was younger than him all along. But, in 1963, some you know, prior to that, my story that in junior high-- I went to Hugh Morrison Junior High, which became Morrison High School, and then it's a post office now-- But, when I would leave there in the afternoon, I would come through the old capital, and my girlfriend and I would hang out in the gallery there and look down in the chambers, and the spittoons were in use. I wasn't real impressed at that age in my life, but then, in 1963, this building was built, and it opened my senior year in high school at Broughton High School. And we came over and saw the transformation, my girlfriend and I that walked through the old capital, and we came over here and walked through this place. And, I must admit, we sort of had an allegiance to the older capital. This was new and beautiful and extremely different for the skyline of Raleigh, having grown up here, but what a beautiful building it has been. But I was told by former member, who is no longer with us, Representative Gordon Allen from Person County, and he told me when I first came up here-- We were sitting in the old capital, and he looked around and pointed out the Speaker's office to me. We were in the House chamber. He pointed out and said that's where the Speaker met people, and the room across from that, right in the chamber, was where the members met with each other and worked out the bills. He said, "And then, somebody over here got the harebrained idea that we ought to have a secretary, and we built the monster down the hill." I've always chuckled at that memory from Representative Allen, who served in both these buildings. But what a great privilege it is for me to be serving now in this beautiful building, and I commend the resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Daughtry, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Finally in 1973, my office was down where the coffee room is in the 1200 court. Half of y'all don't even know where that is but that's all right. And the office right up from it on the main corridor out there was the one that I wanted but the legislator who was in there stayed about three weeks and died. And not knowing the rules or anything, I moved into the office. I really did. I moved in. I didn't ask nobody nothing. I said, "The man is gone, so you know the office is empty." So I just went on and moved in. I didn't see the rules [??] I really didn't even know who the Speaker was, you know, for a long time. But fortunately they had pity on me and let me stay there. But those of you who don't know, you really got it made now. We had that one office. And that was the first year that we had legislative assistants. Because it used to be a pool before that and when you wanted work done you had to go downstairs in the basement and find somebody who was free to do the work for you. But the problem was that your LA sat in the front part of the office and you sat behind her. That's what the arrangement was and if you had constituents to come in then she had to move out into the hallway and sit there until you were through with your constituents. But things have changed. We didn't even have the legislative office building at that time. I can remember I. Beverly Lake was the one that kept, when the building was built, I. Beverly Lake was the one that stopped the tunnel from going under the road to that new building 'cause it was a waste of time. So he said, "Legislators are hearty. If you want to do something, build a walkway across. It ain't gon' hurt 'em to walk in the rain or the wind. It'll toughen 'em up a little bit." But anyway, this building has withstood the test of time. It's a monument to the way that we do business in this state. It's indicative of the people who live in this state, and I commend the resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Kent, I hope that phone's okay. Representative Bob Gardner, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The gentleman's recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The first time I came here, since everybody else is telling their story, I'll tell mine. I was in grade school, and this building was still fairly new. And it was a real thrill to get to come up here. And I remember how nice everybody was. I was in the seventh grade, went to school in Gaston County. We left on a bus early in the morning, came up here, and that was 1967. Tells my age a little bit too. I recommend the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the House. My wife was was telling me that when they had the open house when this building was brand new, her parents drove her up one Sunday afternoon so they could look at the building. Of course that was in, she was from Harnett County. It wasn't very far to come. She just said she remembered being impressed with the grand staircase and the red steps. Well, you know, they didn't bring any school groups to Raleigh from Caldwell County when I was growing up, so I was out of college and grown before I ever came here and saw this building first hand. And I'll be honest with you, when I, the first time I saw the building, I didn't think it was especially pretty. And I thought, "It's sort of plain and stark looking." And I read a brochure and it said the walls were built out of blocks made of crushed marble. And I thought, "Well, only in Raleigh would that be crushed marble. If that was in Caldwell County that'd be a cement block." But you know, we've all learned to call this our home away from home, and it has a special place in each of our hearts. But you know what makes this special? This is the Legislative Building. We're the only state in America that has a building dedicated to the legislative body. All the other states, they have a capitol, and they have their House and their Senate and their Executive branches all in the same building. But we're special. We have a Legislative Building. This building is dedicated to the legislative branch.

got of government, and I'm honored to be a part of that and I commend the resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Horn, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, I couldn't miss an opportunity to start this session with a Churchill quote. Who is surprised? Winston Churchill once said, "We shape our buildings and then our buildings shape us." Representative Daughtry painted a picture of a rather confusing building. Which leads to a conclusion of how we might be shaped. But I'm happy to say that, as well, Representative Starnes noted that this is truly a unique, in more ways than one, building. The only truly legislative building in the country. For that we are grateful and we are moved. And it is a lesson for us and the state to take that responsibility so very seriously as I am sure that we do. It is an honor to be here among you to serve our fellow citizens in this building, I commend it to you for your consideration. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Horne, the chair appreciates the consistent reference to Mr. Churchill in your debate, and Representative Alexander, the body was curious as to whether or not Abraham Lincoln had anything to say on this matter? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. Resolution 64, on it's second rating, all those in favor vote aye, all those opposed vote no before I open the vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The clerk will have the machine record the vote. 119 having voted affirmative and none in the negative the house joint resolution 64 has passed it's second reading and without objection. Will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House resolves the senate concurring. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. Representative Michaud please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the house I have to do this because it is a matter that I have a great degree of pride in and I think that we ought to recognize it. The very first African American to serve in this body since reconstruction has joined us today and I want Mr. Speaker, the former Representative from Guilford County, former Chief Justice of our Supreme Court, Henry Frye is here and he was the first African American to serve in this house and in this body since reconstruction. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Before taking the vote, the chair would like to extend the courtesies of the gallery in a warm welcome from all the members. Please stand and let us recognize it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of House Joint Resolution 64 on it's third rating, all of those in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it, House Joint Resolution 64 has passed it's third rating and will be sent to the senate by a special messenger. House Resolution 54 the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Resolution 54, a House Resolution adopting the permanent rules of the House of Representatives for the 2013 regular session the house resolves. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, members of the house, the resolution that you have is the permanent rules. We had a discussion about the temporary rules as you may recall a couple weeks ago, and we have the revised or the permanent rules and what I would like to do is to simply go through the changes from the temporary rules that we are presently operating under to the permanent rules.

As proposed. So I'll go through these, these bulleted points. We made a change to the three minute rebuttal following a previous question. Presently the rules requires that the majority leader and the minority leader themselves speak to issues of previous question unless they are absent. The new rule allows the leaders to designate any other member to speak, to offer that, that three minute rebuttal. We also narrowed the, the rebuttal period on the previous question. Now, it would only apply, it would only occur on the second and third readings of the bills. It would not apply to amendments. So we, so we've expanded it in one way and, and, and restricted it in another but again, it was, I would think a very practical modification and I didn't hear, I didn't hear much protest to that issue because it really was to ensure that there would be an opportunity for some debate on that. And I think members can see that last year when the previous question was called, generally it was done after there had been substantial and protracted debate. Changes to committees, we, under commerce and job development, we struck two committees under there. Business and labor, science and technology, and we created the new Regulatory Reform committee also with three new subcommittees, those being business and labor, environmental, and local government. We renamed public utilities to public utilities and energy and we also created a new subcommittee under appropriations for information technology. We adjusted the bill filing deadlines. Commissions or committee recommended bills need to be filed by February twenty seventh. They would have otherwise been subject to a later deadline but frankly, those should all be finished at this time. Those are things that, the reports have already been made, and they should be ready to go. Public bills with a finance or appropriations component must be filed by April seventeen of '03. The temporary rules had said May eighth, but given our objective of when we were trying to adjourn, it makes sense that those be done by April the seventeenth. There are no bill filing deadlines for committee bills that are originated by the, either the appropriations, finance, or rules, or rules committees. We thought there is, if the committee finds something that, that warrants or necessitates a stand alone bill, it's generally something to respond to something that, that has come up for some reason and it would be among those, obviously finance would deal with issues of finance affecting the state, appropriations for appropriations issues, and rules would kinda cover, run the gamut for everything else. There's a technical clean up provision in rule 35.1, the legislative committee on UI sensing boards no longer exists and the name and structure of the legislative commission on municipal incorporations has changed. So the new format's reflected in that rule. That rule 38B removes a reference to something called public, local bills which have not existed since the 1940s. So even when this building was built those were long gone. Those are the changes from the, from the two thousand, excuse me, from the temporary rules, and I would urge the body's support of this resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House be at ease. Representative Luebke, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To send forward an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Luebke moves to amend the resolution on page fourteen, line ten by eliminating ten and substituting fifteen. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, mister Speaker. Members of the House, my amendment is, is, well, this computer just refreshed, is on page fourteen line ten, and it

Question of the Chair. Do you know if I can get back to the bill at this moment on this computer? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman, the gentleman will have staff join you to let you know. We can have someone help. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, there’s a button on the top of the. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman wish to be recognized? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To answer the gentleman’s inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you’re looking at the amendment near the top, there’s a button that says View Associated Bill. It will open a second window and you’ll be able to have both the amendment and the original bill on your display at the same time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I’m almost there, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House, be at ease. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir, I’m ready to proceed. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, this amendment is offered because on line 10 of page 14 we have the following. No member, this is quoting from the, from the resolution, no member may introduce more than 10 public bills. For the purpose of this subsection, the introducer is the members listed as the first sponsor. And then listen carefully to this next sentence, please. A member may assign a portion of this limit to another member by notifying the principle clerk in writing of a form prepared by the principle clerk. Members, this part of the resolution is a solution in search of a problem. There is no problem with letting members introduce as many bills as they wish. Remember that each of us has a constituency, and many times our constituents say there’s an issue of special concern so important that they would like to have us introduce that bill. Now, some would say well, it would just make too many bills clogging up the committees. But remember, those of you who have been here before, and for those who are here the first time, committee chairs can decide whether to calendar a bill or not. So, a lot of the bills that we introduce, I think a lot of bills I introduced ’11-12 session, are never calendared by the committee chair. So, the fact that a lot of bills are introduced has nothing to do with the operation of the House. Really, in terms of clogging things up, it doesn’t. The chairs make that decision. Further, when I actually I did, or I asked staff to do research on what happened in the ’11-12 session, it turns out that 41% of the Republican majority exceeded the 10 bill limit, 41%. And 28% of Democrats exceeded the 10 bill limit. Now, how did they do this? Because of that sentence in there about borrowing bills. So, here we are trying to simplify things, but you have got to go around, find a colleague who’ll say yeah, I’m not going to do my 10 bills. You can have one. You will have to walk in the clerk’s office, sign a form. What’s the point? There simply is no point to it. We can just introduce as many bills as we, as we wish and we’re just fine. I’ve served here since 1991. Between 1995 and 1998 there was a 10 bill limit. It wasn’t a good idea then. We had the limit last time at 10. And I remember when we had this discussion of the permanent rules that I put an amendment in that asked that the limit be raised from 10 to 20. That amendment failed. But this year, in the spirit of compromise, I have an amendment that raises it to 15, not 20. And I say, in all seriousness, this is a good idea to not put a limit on what we members can do. And I urge adoption of the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Would Representative Luebke yield for questions? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Will the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Luebke, you know how many bills of which you were the primary sponsor last session? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir, it’s part of my research, 11. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Was it 29?

…a primary sponsor. My name was up there as first for 11 times. Now, my question is, “Do you know how many bills of which you were one of the four primary sponsors in the last session?” [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, you may have that answer because you’re asking me. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Could we play, “Jeopardy,” Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair understands it was 29. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Avila, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] While I appreciate Representative Luebke’s concern for all of the requests from his constituents to get their piece of legislation through, I think we ought to think about the staff around here. We’re asking a small number of people to be open to any of us just bombarding them with anything. I think quality is much more important than quantity. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members. I would urge Members to vote against the amendment and would sort of follow up with a point that Representative Avila I think aptly made. There’s a lot to bills being drafted. There’s not just some bill genie that pops up and produces these things. There’s a process that it goes through. It goes through the legislative research side of things. Then it goes to bill drafting. If it has fiscal issues or appropriations issues it involves that side of the staff. Then it involves the administrative side of the staff here in the Clerk’s office. Then it goes through the process of the bill referral system. It’s not…And I’ve come to appreciate more of the mechanics behind the scenes since doing the job that I’ve had now for a couple of years, and there is a lot to it. I can somewhat sympathize with Representative Luebke with the position of being able to essentially file the bill knowing perhaps that it’s not going to go anywhere but being able to make that statement on the record. I understand that. The way that I think there’s kind of a, I won’t say compromise, but it somewhat is, is that the 10-bill limit only applies to where your name is first on the bill, that’s it. So, your name could be second, third or fourth ad infinitum. You could literally be the second, third or fourth primary sponsor of a bill for every other bill filed if folks asked you to do it. So, it’s only the ones where you’re the lead sponsor. So, while it does limit to 10 in that respect, it’s not that major of a limitation. Additionally, let’s say that a member had an idea that they wanted to have a bill filed and they’d used their 10 bills, and they couldn’t convince any of the rest of the 119 of us in here to file that bill with them as the primary sponsor and them being the number two, three or four. There is already a procedure where they can go to any committee on which they sit and ask that the committee file the bill in the name of the committee. There’s also the procedure where a member can go and borrow a bill from those who don’t use it. So, while there is a 10-bill limit, there are so many exceptions built into it that I don’t think it really restricts a person being able to file a bill for the purpose of being able to show, “This is my position. I at least want to file it and get it on the record.” So, members I would ask that you vote against the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the amendment. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the amendment sent forth by Representative Luebke to House Resolution 54. All in favor vote, “Aye.” All opposed, vote, “No.” The Clerk will open the vote. The Clerk will let the machine record the vote. 42 having voted in the affirmative and 77 in the negative, the amendment fails. Representative Blust, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To send forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blust moves to amend the Resolution on page one, line 31 by deleting, “On the first day of each legislative week.” [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This is a very simple amendment which will simply mean that we start with the Pledge of Allegiance each day instead of only on Monday. I think way back this used to be what was done and I’m not sure why it would…

... change, but I think we ought to change it back and remember each day the principles and ideals that the flag symbolizes and why we're here. I urge adoption. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, members, I fully support this amendment. I think it's a good amendment to do, and I would urge the members to vote in favor of the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? Representative Hall, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the House, although this is the first I heard about the amendment, and didn't know that was a concern, I would certainly support the amendment and I hope that the amendment is one that's in the spirit of insuring we're not just true to saying the pledge, but hopefully, acting out the pledge, and so I would ask that you support the amendment and the spirit of the pledge itself. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the amendment? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the amendment set forth by Representative Blust to House resolution 54. All in favor, vote aye, all opposed, vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 117 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, the amendment passes. Representative Jackson, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Send forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jackson moves to amend the bill on page 22, lines 20 through 21, by inserting the following between those lines: [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members, my amendment goes to what was commonly referred to as the veto garage last time. The procedure for veto overrides last time was when a veto was re-calendared, it was added to the calendar with two days notice as required by our rules, and then it stayed on the calendar for unfinished business for the rest of the session and into the short session. My amendment would simply have a rule, have it part of the rules, that once a veto override is added to the calendar, once that two-day notice is given, it would stay on the calendar for a total of 10 days. If it wasn't heard within that 10 day period, then it would come off the calendar and be void. Quite honestly, the reason for this rule, I wrote down some of the issues I had with the rules last time and I kept it in my old book, my rulebook, and I wrote this one down under the next to the last day of session when Bishop Wainwright was here and he wasn't feeling good, and I think we went maybe 12, 14 hours that day, and he was here for one reason only, and it was for veto overrides, and 'cause we were told we needed to show up for work, and we were told in our caucus, at least within our caucus, that we needed to be here. We were five minutes late, people were scurryin', callin', worried about you, I was actually, ran down to the courthouse one day, on a lunch break, had the misfortune of hitting a city bus in the rear and was about 20 minutes late to session, not many people know about this, but people were panicking, hey, they're gonna override, they're gonna override voter ID, they're gonna override racial justice, and that's what we lived with, and I know that there's part and parcel of being in the minority party, but you also need a life, you need balance in your life. And it was very approprate that Representative Warren was here, Edith Warren was here, earlier. She lives about an hour and 15 minute, hour and 20 minutes past where I live, and I'd often see her when we'd leave here at night at two in the morning. And I would think about her driving on those county roads home. And maybe she wanted to be here to vote on that vote that we were having at 12 o'clock in the morning. Maybe she did. But my guess is that she was here, just like Representative Womble was here in his wheelchair, and Representative Wainwright was here on his deathbed, was because they were scared that a veto was going to be called up if they missed session. And so this bill would give the majority the flexibility to put a veto override on the calendar any time they wanted to, with two days notice, and then would let them have 10 days to have it heard. And if it didn't get heard within those 10 days, then it would come off. I'd ask for your support. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I would urge the members to vote against the amendment and I would like to explain to you why, and get into a little bit of the history.

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I have had a lot of conversations with the rule shared about president, about what happened in the history and the course. We are making history now and we are setting a president for what happens in the future and so even though this might not come into play this session, might, might not don't know depends on whether the speaker is coming back or not and I don't know anything he doesn't know. But we are setting the president now, you are making the history that we are gonna build upon now. And whether or not these 10 days enough, they affect all of us. Despite the best efforts of the speaker last session there were members of even your own party who were also having to stay here because they were not necessarily sure. They weren't positive about what was going to happen. They wanted to discharge their duty. They wanted to show up for work. And vote was an important issue to them.So this gives you some period of expectation. If it's not 10 days maybe it should be 20, these are 10 legislative days and not calendar days. And so it gives everyone some period of expectation to know when they should focus on the issue, be prepared to vote on it and be able to explain to their constituents why or why not did they vote on the issue. I think it's a good amendment, it serves the purpose it was written for and I'd ask you to support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak a second time on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker and members, actually I had one fact wrong earlier and I want to point it out and I don't wanna seem too partisan. But I do want to point out this, The provision requiring the two days notice is something that when the president majority took over two years ago we put in the rules, When the previous majority was in power there was no kind of notice requirement at all and the veto could be done anytime. I think that's worth pointing out. I'd ask again the members to vote against the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Ross, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Lady is recognized to speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I actually wasn't gonna speak until representative Moore brought up history and rules we put in. Just for folks who have served only 1 or two terms, we have dealt with Gubernatorial vetoes when we were all of one party and when Governor Easley vetoed things we always knew what day we were gonna come back. It was a polling of the members. Even when we over rode one of his vetoes, I don't know if you guys remember the White boat bill. He didn't wanted big boats on the road so it's not like you are not gonna wanna be able to override vetoes but the difference, when Speaker Tillis we asked for the 2 days notice rule. That wasn't offered by the majority party, the majority party didn't say "Oh yeah, we'll give you a two days notice". That was something that former Speaker Hackney negotiated with Speaker Tillis, two years ago, I know, I was in the room. We had the list of the things we wanted, some of them we got, some of them we didn't, but we did negotiated. No body thought that rule was then gonna turn into this permanent veto ?? which is what we called it that would last from long session until the short session. So this is an attempt to deal with something that we thought have been fixed two years ago. And then the last thing that I want to remind the members of was the veto override of the NCAE dues bill, a bill which have been since have been struck down as unconstitutional costing this day hundreds of thousands of dollars. That was done because we were called back into an extra session when we were for a different session. Don't tell me that the rules can not be abused and once we have seen them abused or applied in a a way that was not intended, it's our obligation not just to each other but to the institution to set good rules and good behavior going forward. I hope we never have to use the amendment that representative Jackson has put forward but the fact that the..

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[Speaker changes.] would that have not been in conflict with that rule? [Speaker changes.] Well, Mister Speaker, had the bill been drafted that way, which in fact, it was not, then some of the amendments might...might not have been in order; however, that was not the case with the bill that we had on the floor so it just...that example just wasn't appropriate. There may have been other bills...there may be other bills in the future where that would be appropriate but the example of yesterday was not appropriate. [Speaker changes.] Mister Speaker, would the gentleman from Cumberland, rise to a question? [Speaker changes.] Would the...which gentleman from Cumberland? [Speaker changes.] Representative Glazier. [Speaker changes.] Representative Glazier, would you yield to a question? [Speaker changes.] Certainly. [Speaker changes.] He so yields. [Speaker changes.] Representative Glazier, I couldn't help but notice in my peripheral vision, when I posed the question about the practical matter, not the nuance that someone far better trained in debate and legal matters than you or Representative Ross, but, as a practical matter, would you agree that the title rule that was in place for the four years...that at least I was here and perhaps longer, had been used primarily for the purpose to prevent amendments from being introduced on the floor. Many of those amendments have been introduced in committee. [Speaker changes.] I'm inclined to take the fifth amendment but...(Laughter.) [Speaker changes.] Thank you, Mister Speaker. [Speaker changes.] but in full answer to your question, Mister Speaker...in full answer, seriously...I think that Representative Ross' last statement was correct in the sense that I think we were sorta crossing paths. The bill as it was introduced yesterday, because it had short title, the amendments would not have violated the rules in 07-09 but would 07-09 as a practical matter were there more uses of long titles. I think the answer is "there were", but I think it was used strategically and the majority, I think to their credit, eliminated the use of the long titles strategically. I think that still relates to the original point Representative Ross made but I do concede and agree that long titles were used more in 07 thru 10. [Speaker changes.] Mister Speaker? [Speaker changes.] For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland, Representative Lucas, rise? [Speaker changes.] Point of order. [Speaker changes.] Member may state his point of order. [Speaker changes.] Mister Speaker, I believe that the lady from Wake's reference to the Jackson Amendment to be attributed to Representative Luebke not Lucas. (Laughter.) [Speaker changes.] That is noted. Thank you. [Speaker changes.] For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Representative Michaux, rise? [Speaker changes.] To speak on the resolution. [Speaker changes.] Member is recognized to speak on the resolution. [Speaker changes.] I mean, you know folks, I still have the simple-mindedness of an individual. One of the reasons, Mister Speaker, that the title was...that rule was put in because we didn't have a super-majority and we had to find some way of getting some things done without havin' to go around Robin Hood's barn. The problem I have right now is that you got a super-majority, why are you gonna be restrictive in the rules. You can do any blame thing that you want to do without any hesitation at all. So I mean...to par...I mean you're not gonna get a vetoed bill...we don't think...now unless ya'll got a problem between the two houses and the other house... [Speaker changes.] Mister Speaker? [Speaker changes.] For what purpose does the gentleman from Iredell, Representative Brawley, rise? [Speaker changes.] When I finish... [Speaker changes.] Member wants to stand, please state your purpose...did you wish to ask a question? But you don't wish to yield? [Speaker changes.] Not...not at this...because I'm very serious about this. There were problems...at most times we did not have the super-majority that you have in order to get things done and simply, when you got a veto and you gotta garage that you park this veto in that you could bring up at any time if you wanna bring it up, you know...that was...that was really unfair. Right now, I say you've got everything. I don't see why we do hafta have this garage veto. I don't see why we can't do some of these other things that we have offered, the amendments or...because you gonna change some things anyway, comin' down the line, I can...everybody can see that coming so I've just got a problem as to why we can't get one or two little items in here like to veto garage in this bill and I would vote against. [Speaker changes.] For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake...

representative Dollar rise. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I just, and I apologize for speaking. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The number is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. But I have to comment on the title thing. And with all due respect to a couple of my colleagues over here, I remember an annexation bill that we had back when some of us were in the minority. And that bill came through, and it came sailing out of committee, and we made attempts to amend that bill and a committee, substantive committee, and then I believe in finance committee. We were thwarted by the title at the time, and we were particularly thwarted when we got to the floor. I think the title was two, three, four pages long, and representative Brown, who was here then, Larry Brown had amendment's. Couldn't get them heard because of the title. That change but the speakers talked about a moment ago is exactly right. Those of us who have been here for a few terms know it. The rule as it stands today that we have an opportunity to vote on is a great rule because it keeps the title short, and it keeps the debate lively, and the opportunity for amendments on this floor of this house within the hands of these members, and I just think it was a great move to democratize this chamber, and it would just amaze me that folks who voted for essentially the same rules two years ago wouldn't do so again today. And I would recommend you vote for the rules. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake, Representative Paul arise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speaker, tell us. I'd like to thank you for the changes that you've made. You posed a question in your remarks, would we'd prefer to go back. Of course we wouldn't. Of course we wouldn't. I had the chance to meet with you before we began serving here. I believed then that you were going to reach across the aisle and do a great deal to cooperate with us and having been the minority that you would be understanding and make things easier for us. By some of the things that have been sent here today, I completely, 100% still feel that way. But I have to go back to the question, again you posed, would you prefer to go back? And to me, but it could be worse is just not a logical argument. To say, but it could be worse is not an argument for not trying to make it better. I actually walked in here this morning wanting to vote for this resolution. I wanted to vote for speaker Moore's resolution. I wanted to reach across the aisle, and I was looking for the smallest reasons, and to me, the most reasonable amendment was Darrin Jackson's, and I was hoping so much that that one would pass, and that was the one I was looking for to give me the reason to vote for these rules. Unfortunately, I didn't feel there was bipartisanship because of that most reasonable amendment, and for that reason, I'm going to vote against the rules, and I urge the other members to do so as well. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blust, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the house, I'm going to support the resolution, and I don't disagree with what's been said. Some of what's been said on the other side of the aisle, because I still remember very vividly, seared in my mind that being in seats like that, and I'm going to support this. For years, I did work on rules the way I thought they ought to be for a great legislative, deliberative body, what I thought the founders would intend, because I first came here, I was in the senate for two years and then came over to the house, and it was a time where it's not an exaggeration to say we were under absolute despotism. I mean, the speaker and the president pro tem were God, you didn't question them, you questioned them at your peril. And literally, one reason I'm not running amendments now to try to do more is so much of this kind of needs to happen when you have a change in speakers, because when you have a speaker to say the rules need changing is in some quarters viewed as you're attacking that speaker and the way that speaker did business or the way that president pro tem did business. There have been so many abuses, and many of them have been cured in the rules as we did last time. I have a checklist, and members of our caucus know

00:00 what I've tried to do in our [??] two years ago when we first got the majority and I just checked the other day looking at this how many things that we have been done bearing the order of business from the calender we used to come in here and you couldn't follow things the way we jumped around and speaker Tillis has been fairly diligent of following the calender unless he asked leave of the body one of the big things changes we made was the general direction of the hall in rule 6 used to be taken as the permission for the speaker to do anything he wanted and disregard the rules and we put in there the word last time subject to the specific provisions of these rules and that was a huge difference and I have gone over for the rules chairman in past to say how in the world could you do this this is in the rule they had disregarded the rule blatantly and that was the ruling of this the rules chairman was speaker has charge of the hall and that was how they interpreted that rule so it is important to get these things right overriding the chair was dropped and that rarely happens but the vote to override the chair was dropped from two thirds to three fifths the previous question at least now there has to be something said on the bill by both sides I've seen many of time something handed out and voted on question called voted on with no explanation it's happened it happened on the redistricting bill in 2003 on this floor complex bill handed out question called no questions asked passed becomes law another thing that was not mentioned by the speaker was the discharge petition representative Hall someone can at least to a degree get a [??] temperature of this body by going and filing a discharge petition you don't have to even go through a committee and you can actually get people behind the bill to start urging the legislate towards to go sign a discharge petition so that is a way to get an idea heard and when it's being blocked by the majority the committee [??] I actually think the democrats had gone away with that before we even took power that was a tremendous abuse I just sent out an email I received from our esteemed clerk I'm sure acting on orders in 2003 assigning right before a key vote assigning four new members of the finance committee because they didn't have the votes to pass something that the speaker wanted hey you guys get over there and vote and that was literally done I also was once if you wanna know despotism and some of you [??] were here there being assigned to a dungeon office I sent out one of the emails I got it's like seven days in a row I got an email from Denise everyone got one representative Blust is removed from the committee on something and another member assigned one at a time everyday the slow bleed you're throwing off every committee and so there has been a lot of things done I sympathized and voted with the amendment although I don't think it's that [??] this year since the governor is of our party but leaving things on the calender is an abuse and I can remember in 2001 when we were here till December the redistricting was left on the calender well first the budget then the redistricting then the senate redistricting then the Congressional redistricting and they've literally waited and ambushed for the time when somebody'd be absent and they'd have the votes and I just point out that Mason's manual which governs a lot of our proceeding says the whole reason for rules is so the will of the majority of the members maybe determined and revealed in an orderly manner while protecting the minority members because each member is presumed to be equal with the others and when you leave something on the calender you really aren't interested in taking really finding out what the body wants to do as a body as a deliberative body but to take a snapshot to do what the leadership wants at any particular time and that is something that can be abused it hasn't been but and speaker Tillis has come a long way speaker [??] started us on that journey the heavy hand was lifted in 2007 when speaker [??] was elected speaker and many of the things that had been done stopped being done. 05:00

And I think, Speaker Tillis, with these rules, we have continued down that path. If I am here, I am willing to continue down that path further the next time. And I think we should work together to do that, because it is an honor and a privilege to be here. And we really should remember those people who put us here. And everyone here, represents 80,000 people. Your people are as important as my people. And the games that are played, and the abuses through the rules need to come to a all time stop. But I think significant progress has been made and I support these rules. Representative Moore, please state your purpose. To debate the resolution. Gentlemen, it is recognized to debate the resolution. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A couple of other things, I don't wan't to belabor the points that have already been made. I think Representative Bless and Speaker Tillis, when he spoke. I have an amendment that I am not going to send forward. But, there is an amendment that could be sent forward that would simply put us under the 2009 rules. And those give a lot less protection for the Minority Party. And I think that our present majority, both last session and this session, have been very accommodating and very fair. For those of you who are new members, it really was.. there is no exaggeration, you would flip for page and page. It was just the title...If you see the bill its like... House Rules is the title... Literally, all capital letters...just pages and pages. So if you filed an amendment and did one thing or another, then it was out of order. And I had a number of my amendments that were -- I thought they were good amendments -- that got ruled out of order. They never got heard. It was a way of not allowing those ideas heard. I think yesterday's debate, I think both days debates for example on the UI bill, showed that this body is a deliberative body. The amendments were brought up and considered. They were given the chance to make the argument. Members were allowed to debate them. And the vote and amendments were voted up or down as the will of the majority. That's all. The rules are designed exactly as Representative Bless says, to allow the majority's will to be done. But at the same time to respect the rights of the minority. I submit to you, these are the fairest rules this House has had. I don't know how else to say it. We have been accommodating. I would ask the members to support this resolution, and let us move on to adopting these rules so we can get on with the other business we need to address. Representative Larry Hall, please state your purpose. To speak on the resolution. Gentlemen, it is recognized to debate the resolution. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly, Representative Moore said that we could have gone backwards on these and we have had a good discussion this afternoon on them. I know there are specific reasons, all of us even, Representative Bless see that there are some improvements we can still make to these resolutions and everyone is going to make their minds up on what they are going to stand up on these. And whatever they are going to make on forward. We do and can do better. We talked about the areas we can do better in. I would hope that folks would decide for themselves what they think is most important as we go forward. We know that they're gonna pass. [??] We know we are going to take some of the side tracks. We took some of the issues on the rules that are in front of us now. But certainly, we know this is serious business. Again, as these pass, we know that we can do better. We have already identified where we need to improve. They can be changed, they can be improved. I hope the Rules Chair will look at those areas that have been brought up, that we have talked about. And he has heard the census of the body. And I hope that action will be taken on them. And again, I hope that our democrats will decide for themselves, what areas of the bill that you feel strong enough to stand on that we can improve these House rules as we move forward Representative Collins, please state your purpose. To briefly debate the bill. Gentlemen, it is recognized to debate the bill. Again, I am amazed we are calling the veto override [??]. That's fine. I don't have any problems with that name. But we are calling this a partisan, Republican issue. And that really boggles my mind. If somebody makes a motion on the floor to bring something that is already on the calendar to a vote. We bring it to a vote and...

So, I don't understand how this is an partisan republican issue when basically if we want to override vetoes we can do it. I fail to see how this is a partisan issue that only advances the cause of the republicans and I would certainly advice you to vote for this. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not the question before the house is the adoption of house resolution 54 as amended. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record please do so at this time. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 98 having voted in affirmative and 22 in the negative. The resolution has been adopted and will be ordered printed. 21, chair apologizes. Members just to close out the discussion and I appreciate the debate, there were couple of comments that ?? ?? of the chair would like to be expressed here. The chair has no intentions of changing any of the primary roles without the consents of the minority caucus. I did not wanted to make that material to the debate but the communication that I have made to the minority leader is if we find things that are appropriate or changed from this point forward, we will, but as long as I am speaker that will not be something that will be in conflict with the minority caucus and the chair does anticipate one potential change and it'll be the change if we can work out the statutory under pendings to allow members to join from community colleges or certified sites so you can actually ?? being in the committees without actually traveling to Raleigh but without that exception the chair is not aware of any initiative, certainly none that are supported by the speaker. Representative Howard, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To turn off your light. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members, I think that the reception is there, they are holding it ?? and ?? so we would like to get up to the 3:30 reception at 4:15. I did want to remind members, first we have a picture up here of the legislative building if you have not signed it please come up and find a place to sign. If you see any former members who are still here, I think there are some 79 former members who have signed the journal up here. We'd ask you to make sure that if you run into members during the reception that you ask them to sign that journal. Chair would also like to announce that there will be the formation at the request from our body, representative Mcgrady and representative Becky Karney to create a county caucus and the chairs of that caucus will be representative Mcgrady and the house representative senator Don Davis in the senate. Vice chairs will be representative Becky Carney and senator Eraline Parmon. Again ladies and gentleman of the house I mention that yesterday will be included in the adjournment motion today, we will meet at 10 AM tomorrow morning. And before we go we have two committee reports to be read. Representative Sarah Stevens is recognized to send forward a committee report, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Judiciary subcommittee C representative Stevens will ?? for standing committee chair for report before the house. House bill 25 amend felony breaking or entering favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 29, Methamphetamine offense penalty favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Tim Moore is recognized to send forth committee report, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rules ?? and operations of the house representative Moore House bill 66 Captivity License and Permit Amendments, favored is the committee substitute, unfavorable is the original bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute counter, original bill unfavorable counter. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Notices and announcements. Representative Larry Hall, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker and it's a question about tomorrow's calendar if it's appropriate at this time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman may state his inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Inquiry is whether or not we have bills that will be on for a record of vote tomorrow.

00:00 representative Hall we're just checking we have two that potentially be eligible we're deciding whether or not they're time sensitive...representative Hall the chair has decided that we will not have any recorded votes tomorrow but the chair would ask that you try and attend the ten o'clock meeting or session tomorrow we will have a 50th anniversary panoramic photo will take the first few minutes of session around ten o'clock and then we will move on but the chair does not anticipate any recorded votes tomorrow the chair not only does not anticipate recorded votes tomorrow there will be no recorded votes tomorrow..further notices and announcements are [??] representative Carney please state your purpose. for an announcement. the lady's recognized for an announcement. thank you Mr speaker ladies and gentlemen the joint legislative international business and trade [??] that was scheduled for four has postponed until 4:30 in room 1228 we invite to join us thank you. representative Terry please state your purpose. for a point of personal privilege. the lady's recognized for a point of personal privilege. thank you very kindly I'd simply like to acknowledge my seat mates for today is the day to wish them a happy birthday. representative Floyd please state your purpose. inquire for the chair. the gentleman may state his inquiry. Mr chair [??] to read the agenda for tomorrow it has down here homeland security military [??] if that committee still gonna meet [??] Mr speaker could it be [??] to meet 15 minutes after we adjourn. sergeant Cleveland is recognized. [??] please the committee will meet and I'll make it as early as possible tomorrow. representative Starnes please state your purpose. for an announcement. the gentleman's recognized. because this is a late hour I believe we will cancel our [??] schedule this afternoon. the gentleman is also appreciated, representative Larry Hall please state your purpose. just to insure democrats know there will be no [??] tomorrow morning before session there will be no [??]. further notices and announcements, representative Moore please state your purpose. for a motion. the gentleman's recognized for a motion. Mr speaker I move that the house be now adjourned to reconvene on Thursday February the 7th 2013 at 10 o'clock am. representative Moore moves seconded by representative Glazier that the house do now adjourn to reconvene on Thursday February the 7th at 10 am those in favor will say aye. aye. those opposed say no the ayes have it the house stays adjourned. 03:55